Perrenial Argument - Pitcher sets high

[VolUmp]

I know what the books say.  I'm asking two very specific questions:

 

When a coach complains that the pitcher is setting too high and says, "He's gotta set below his chin!"

It's a simple reply ...

   "At or below his chin"

 

Question 1:  In the ongoing argument about whether the ball must be at or below his chin or the glove must be at or below his chin, how do you interpret what the books say when you can't necessarily see the ball in the glove?  It could be high in the web or low in the palm.

 

My interpretation ... for which I make no apologies.

If the bottom of the glove is at or below the chin, he's legal.

 

 

HC questioned politely this very thing.  Thought the pitcher was setting too high.  I said no.  Later he went to my partner.  He said no.

Assistant Coach bitched and griped about it to some parents and in the next inning, every time the pitcher set, for three straight pitches, the fans yelled, "Balk!"  Is was disconcerting to me, and I believe it was disconcerting to the pitcher.

 

Question 2:  How do you handle this?

 

I'll answer how I handled it if there's any feedback.

[Old Skool]

I would have had to have been there but I'm not sure you wouldn't have been out of line under Fed rules to restrict the AC & HC to the dugout.  I would have a problem with the HC trying to circumvent my explanation with my partner & definitely with the AC for apparently trying to incite the fans to yell on every set by the pitcher involved.

[Replacematt]

I know what the books say.  I'm asking two very specific questions:

 

When a coach complains that the pitcher is setting too high and says, "He's gotta set below his chin!"

It's a simple reply ...

   "At or below his chin"

 

Question 1:  In the ongoing argument about whether the ball must be at or below his chin or the glove must be at or below his chin, how do you interpret what the books say when you can't necessarily see the ball in the glove?  It could be high in the web or low in the palm.

 

My interpretation ... for which I make no apologies.

If the bottom of the glove is at or below the chin, he's legal.

 

 

HC questioned politely this very thing.  Thought the pitcher was setting too high.  I said no.  Later he went to my partner.  He said no.

Assistant Coach bitched and griped about it to some parents and in the next inning, every time the pitcher set, for three straight pitches, the fans yelled, "Balk!"  Is was disconcerting to me, and I believe it was disconcerting to the pitcher.

 

Question 2:  How do you handle this?

 

I'll answer how I handled it if there's any feedback.

 

1. The books tell you where the glove needs to be. This is pretty black-and-white.

2. I may or may not toss him, but he's not getting out of that game without losing his ass. That applies to both.

[VolUmp]

Old Skool,

 

Not making excuses for HC, but he went to my partner and told him that all the coaches in his district just received an email specifying that the glove had to be below the chin.  I think my partner just echoed what I had told him ... that we're calling it by the FED book, and I don't recognize any other source.  He came to me again between innings (before the crap started with the fans) and just reiterated that he was frustrated about it.

 

I'm not sure he was circumventing as much as venting ... if that makes sense.

[BalkHawk]

When a coach calls for a balk, but I have no balk, I tell him "he's giving me everything I need. If he continues, give him the old "in my judgment..." followed by a warning that said judgment isn't up for discussion.

The assistant coach inciting the fans is also unacceptable. If he does it from the coach's box, he's done without warning.

[Jocko]

@BalkHawk -"give him the old "in my judgment..."

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[bam]

"He's good. You're free to protest the game, but now it's time to play and we're not going to have this conversation again. Please. Thank you"

Rocket science 101

[noumpere]

 

 

 

1. The books tell you where the glove needs to be. This is pretty black-and-white.

2. I may or may not toss him, but he's not getting out of that game without losing his ass. That applies to both.

 

 

1. Agreed. 6-1-3 "... glove at or below his chin."  And it's *any part* of the glove and *any part* of the chin.  See case 6-1-3N

[UmpJM]

"He's good. You're free to protest the game, but now it's time to play and we're not going to have this conversation again. Please. Thank you"

Rocket science 101

 

Hard to imagine a more effective application of "...courteous, impartial, and firm...". 

 

JM

[bam]

 

"He's good. You're free to protest the game, but now it's time to play and we're not going to have this conversation again. Please. Thank you"

Rocket science 101

 

Hard to imagine a more effective application of "...courteous, impartial, and firm...". 

 

JM

 

That's me!  

[Jocko]

Can't protest judgement.

Now, Sir, if you don't mind, please return to your proper place. This conversation is over and will not be reopened. Have we an accord?

[bam]

Can't protest judgement.

Now, Sir, if you don't mind, please return to your proper place. This conversation is over and will not be reopened. Have we an accord?

You forgot to add "And if I may say so sir, you're impeccably attired today"  

[scrounge]

One of these days, I'm going to end a ruling explanation with "Good Day, sir" just so when the inevitable continuation comes, I can firmly say "I SAID GOOD DAY!!!"

[Jocko]

@scrounge - smh willy wonka

[UmpJM]

Nice to see you guys are finally starting to "get it"! 

 

JM

[bam]

Nice to see you guys are finally starting to "get it"! 

 

JM

Don't get me wrong - I still hate the f*&ckers.  

[mhoffman]

"He's good. You're free to protest the game, but now it's time to play and we're not going to have this conversation again. Please. Thank you"

Rocket science 101

 

I'll have to use that line one time, then follow it up with: "Oh by the way coach, in NJ there is no such thing as a protested HS Fed game."

 

Obviously I wouldn't say that because that would just egg him on and not to professional on my part but damn it would be fun if I could hahaha

[Pete Peterson Sr]

Can't protest judgement.

Now, Sir, if you don't mind, please return to your proper place. This conversation is over and will not be reopened. Have we an accord?

 

And $5 says that the moron tells you he doesn't own a Honda... 

[Jocko]

@Pete Peterson Sr - traded his accord in on his prius