Carl Childress - Inside The Books

[th3]

Last year I bought my 1st BRD, and struggled with it. I intend to give it another go shortly. A few weeks ago I picked up "Inside The Books", and I like it a lot. It focuses on 13 situations (i.e. Appeals, BI, BOO, OBS) giving rules and interpretations across FED, OBR and NCAA. Also includes a chapter on "the 20 things an ump HAS to have down 100% before he walks on a high school field" and some NCAA specific stuff that I haven't gotten to yet.  While many of you guys would probably find the information simplistic, I have found it interesting and helpful. Here's a play:

 

Play 136 - R1 stealing. B1 drives one that goes under the pitcher's glove and hits R1 on his heel just after he has slid safely onto 2nd...No other infielder could come close to the ball. Fielders started at double play depth.

 

What do you have in OBR, FED, NHFS? 

 

As I said - easy stuff for most of you but good food for thought for me

 

And I consider a book like this a piece of equipment so that's why I posted here

[Omega194]

I got nothing and ball still live

[24sdad]

I got nothing and ball still live

If I am reading this correctly, I have an out on R1 for interference.  Batted ball passes F1 (if F1 touched it, play the bounce), if not and if the batted ball has not passed any other infielders when it contacted R1, then time, R1 is out and award B/R first base.  R1 was hit by a fair batted ball before it passed an infielder other than the pitcher.

 

FED 8-4-2 Any runner is out when he:

 

11. is contacted by a fair batted ball before it touches an infielder, or after it passes any infielder, except the pitcher, and the umpire is convinced that another infielder has a play (5-1-1f, 6-1-5).

    1. If a runner is touching his base when he is hit by an infield fly, he is not

       out, but the batter is out by the infield fly rule. The ball is dead, even in

       the exception.

    2. If a runner is hit by an infield fly when he is not touching his base, both

       he and the batter are out. 

[Omega194]

 

I got nothing and ball still live

If I am reading this correctly, I have an out on R1 for interference.  Batted ball passes F1 (if F1 touched it, play the bounce), if not and if the batted ball has not passed any other infielders when it contacted R1, then time, R1 is out and award B/R first base.  R1 was hit by a fair batted ball before it passed an infielder other than the pitcher.

 

FED 8-4-2 Any runner is out when he:

 

11. is contacted by a fair batted ball before it touches an infielder, or after it passes any infielder, except the pitcher, and the umpire is convinced that another infielder has a play (5-1-1f, 6-1-5).

    1. If a runner is touching his base when he is hit by an infield fly, he is not

       out, but the batter is out by the infield fly rule. The ball is dead, even in

       the exception.

    2. If a runner is hit by an infield fly when he is not touching his base, both

       he and the batter are out. 

 

in the original question, the batted ball hit the runner after he is safely on the bag and none of the infielders could've have made a play on the ball….I  got nothing both runners safe

[24sdad]

 

 

I got nothing and ball still live

If I am reading this correctly, I have an out on R1 for interference.  Batted ball passes F1 (if F1 touched it, play the bounce), if not and if the batted ball has not passed any other infielders when it contacted R1, then time, R1 is out and award B/R first base.  R1 was hit by a fair batted ball before it passed an infielder other than the pitcher.

 

FED 8-4-2 Any runner is out when he:

 

11. is contacted by a fair batted ball before it touches an infielder, or after it passes any infielder, except the pitcher, and the umpire is convinced that another infielder has a play (5-1-1f, 6-1-5).

    1. If a runner is touching his base when he is hit by an infield fly, he is not

       out, but the batter is out by the infield fly rule. The ball is dead, even in

       the exception.

    2. If a runner is hit by an infield fly when he is not touching his base, both

       he and the batter are out. 

 

in the original question, the batted ball hit the runner after he is safely on the bag and none of the infielders could've have made a play on the ball….I  got nothing both runners safe

 

Omega, R1 and left handed batter hits a shot to the 3/4 hole that hits R1 while he is attempting to advance.  The ball had not passed F3 or F4, but neither had a chance to field the ball as it was hit too hard.  Do you have an out on R1?  Also, standing on the bag while hit (except with IFF) by a batted ball is not a safe haven.

[Omega194]

In this situation I have the runner out. In original question I still have nothing bc in my judgement no play could be made on the ball Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[LMSANS]

@th3 I think this really belongs under situations.  Or at least under book reviews.  I'm moving it to situations.

[FlaUmp22]

In this situation I have the runner out. In original question I still have nothing bc in my judgement no play could be made on the ball

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the "no infielder has a play on the ball" part of the rule only comes into play after the ball passes (and I think this is the proper terminology) a "fringe" infielder, any infielder but the pitcher, in this case the ball only passed the pitcher.... so it has not passed a fringe infielder and I have interference on R1

 

If the ball deflected off the pitchers glove I have play on

[Richvee]

 

In this situation I have the runner out. In original question I still have nothing bc in my judgement no play could be made on the ball

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the "no infielder has a play on the ball" part of the rule only comes into play after the ball passes (and I think this is the proper terminology) a "fringe" infielder, any infielder but the pitcher, in this case the ball only passed the pitcher.... so it has not passed a fringe infielder and I have interference on R1

 

If the ball deflected off the pitchers glove I have play on

 

 

TIME. That's interference. R1/2out. BR 1st base. 

 

Very similar to this play in the MLBUM

 

R1. Hit and run. B2 hits a GB to the 2B position which has been vacated by the 2nd baseman to cover 2nd. The GB strikes R1.

 

R1 is out for being being struck by the ball. The ball is not considered through or by an infielder on this play. 

 

 

The OP says the fielders are at DP depth, so they are behind the bases, R1, even though on 2nd, is out. The ball is not though or by an infielder. 

[BT_Blue]

Agreed with the above. F1 does not count as an infielder in the OP and thus is not given the protection of the rule. All codes will call the OP interference by R1. R1 is out, BR to first.

Omega, remember that "being on the bag" offers no protection unless it is an IFF situation. R1 still can not be hit by a ball before it passes an infielder and as I said earlier, F1 is not an infielder in this situation.

[Omega194]

Good stuff but I have a question if the fielder makes an attempt at the batted ball doesn't that make him a fielder?  I just started umpiring this fall and looking to learn from you all and I appreciate all the feedback.

[mstaylor]

Good stuff but I have a question if the fielder makes an attempt at the batted ball doesn't that make him a fielder?  I just started umpiring this fall and looking to learn from you all and I appreciate all the feedback.

Only if the pitcher touches it, pitchers many times swipe at balls that he has no chance to catch. If he is hit in front of the fielders, on the base or not, he is out.