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Texas Manny

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This is why cops hate talking to witnesses after an accident.  Everyone saw the same thing and are telling different stories.

 

Some are saying DeMuth mirrored Joyce's call.  Others (including me) believe DeMuth called it on his own.

 

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If Demuth made the obstruction call on his own, he would not of pointed to third base and yelled out to Jim Joyce. Demuth saw Joyce call it and reverberated it, both at the moment it occurred, and again, after he declared the runner safe.

 

I do believe the onus of the award of home plate was on Demuth.

 

When did he point to 3rd base and yell at Jim Joyce?

 

I believe what you saw was he pointed to the spot of the obstruction and called obstruction, then after he called the runner safe, he again pointed back to the spot of the obstruction and announced he had obstruction and was awarding the runner home.

 

I agree with others that his mechanics might have been a little screwy at the plate, but I'd also say he was probably pretty amped up at the fact he was ending a WS game on an obstruction call...so I think he can be forgiven.

 

When the initial call was made by Jim Joyce, it was echoed at home plate by Demuth. After the tag play at the plate, when Demuth signalled "Safe!" he pointed back at Jim Joyce and the area of the obstruction and vocally acknowledged Jim and the obstruction call. He then scored the run.

 

The only mechanic that I thought that Demuth didn't execute was the "Time!", with both hands overhead. Other than that, it's the excitement of the moment that put the "Safe!" before the "Obstruction" mechanic. I loved how he "boomed" the run home with a firm pointing to the stick.

 

The overall is that Joyce called it, Demuth echoed it, and they were both on the same page in scoring the run.

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Haid D' Salaami
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Why in the hell is there 7 pages on this subject.. EVERYONE AGREES ITS OBS..

clawdad
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http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?topic_id=28898650&content_id=31185453   it looks like the leg of his uniform pants JUUUUUUUUUUUUST grazes the edge of the plate.

mjr_2013
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Glad to see Jim get a call seen round the world spot on. I'm sure he's still haunted by "Hey you're the ump who screwed Galarraga!"... I really hope this helps him finally get away from that, because

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24sdad

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This is why cops hate talking to witnesses after an accident.  Everyone saw the same thing and are telling different stories.

 

Some are saying DeMuth mirrored Joyce's call.  Others (including me) believe DeMuth called it on his own.

 

:shrug:

If Demuth made the obstruction call on his own, he would not of pointed to third base and yelled out to Jim Joyce. Demuth saw Joyce call it and reverberated it, both at the moment it occurred, and again, after he declared the runner safe.

 

I do believe the onus of the award of home plate was on Demuth.

 

When did he point to 3rd base and yell at Jim Joyce?

 

I believe what you saw was he pointed to the spot of the obstruction and called obstruction, then after he called the runner safe, he again pointed back to the spot of the obstruction and announced he had obstruction and was awarding the runner home.

 

I agree with others that his mechanics might have been a little screwy at the plate, but I'd also say he was probably pretty amped up at the fact he was ending a WS game on an obstruction call...so I think he can be forgiven.

 

When the initial call was made by Jim Joyce, it was echoed at home plate by Demuth. 

 

The overall is that Joyce called it, Demuth echoed it, and they were both on the same page in scoring the run.

 

No one can definitively say whether Demuth "echoed" Joyce's OBS call or called the OBS on his own, EXCEPT Demuth.  I don't remember what he said, or if he even addressed it in the post game press conference.  But until he does, it is just speculation for either side of the argument... but deep down we in the "called it on his own" camp know we are right  :hi5:

Richvee

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This is why cops hate talking to witnesses after an accident.  Everyone saw the same thing and are telling different stories.

 

Some are saying DeMuth mirrored Joyce's call.  Others (including me) believe DeMuth called it on his own.

 

:shrug:

LOL - and following 32 years (and one year of blissful retirement) I don't have to listen to those different stories anymore!

 

I believe DeMuth also made the call on his own.  I attached a video of Dan Bellino making an obstruction call/award from 2010.  His mechanics left no doubt as to what occurred and why an obviously out R1 was awarded third base.  Following the tag at third, Bellino calls time (in effect "waving off" the obvious out at 3rd), points to the area of the obstruction (F6), then points to third base (award), signals safe and points to third again.  I don't think you needed to know the game of baseball to understand (due to his immediate, emphatic mechanics) what just happened.  

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/v...tent_id=8725303

 

wow...talk about an announcer with no clue...  :smachhead:  :no:

Texas Manny

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Sorry to disappoint the Demuth called it on it's own crowd. In the video below you can clearly see that Jim Joyce called and Demuth echoed at around 3:32 seconds. Both Joyce and Demuth called and pointed the "obstruction". Then Demuth, under delayed action, waited to see what happened to the runner. He called the runner "Safe!" "Pointed back at Jim Joyce, and the obstruction, and then scored the run automatically.

 

Here's the video

 

http://wap.mlb.com/play/?content_id=31187345&query=obstruction

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Good clip. It would do a lot of coaches and players well to watch AND LISTEN to that piece. Lots of good, correct info there. 

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grayhawk

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Sorry to disappoint the Demuth called it on it's own crowd. In the video below you can clearly see that Jim Joyce called and Demuth echoed at around 3:32 seconds. Both Joyce and Demuth called and pointed the "obstruction". Then Demuth, under delayed action, waited to see what happened to the runner. He called the runner "Safe!" "Pointed back at Jim Joyce, and the obstruction, and then scored the run automatically.

 

Here's the video

 

http://wap.mlb.com/play/?content_id=31187345&query=obstruction

 

I don't see how you can watch this video and definitively say that it backs up your assumption that DeMuth echoed Joyce's call, rather than calling it on his own.  DeMuth calls it an instant after Joyce, but that hardly means he is echoing the call.  The mechanics displayed by DeMuth are exactly what he would do if he was the only umpire on the field (with the exception of the "safe" mechanic that he shouldn't have used):

 

See the obstruction, point at it, and call it. "That's obstruction!"

Wait for the play to end.  Call time (rather then safe).  "Time!"

Point back at where obstruction occurred. "That was obstruction!"

Point at the base you are awarding, and tell the runner to go there.  "You!  Score!"

Texas Manny

Texas Manny

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Sorry to disappoint the Demuth called it on it's own crowd. In the video below you can clearly see that Jim Joyce called and Demuth echoed at around 3:32 seconds. Both Joyce and Demuth called and pointed the "obstruction". Then Demuth, under delayed action, waited to see what happened to the runner. He called the runner "Safe!" "Pointed back at Jim Joyce, and the obstruction, and then scored the run automatically.

 

Here's the video

 

http://wap.mlb.com/play/?content_id=31187345&query=obstruction

  DeMuth calls it an instant after Joyce, but that hardly means he is echoing the call.

 

Uh, er, um....OKAY! OKAY! OKAY! OKAY! OKAY!

 

C'mon Grayhawk, I know you're better than that. That obstruction call belonged to Jim Joyce at 3rd base. If he didn't see it and called nothing, and Demuth or one of the other umpires saw it, they'd call it, but Joyce saw it, and called it first. It's clear Demuth echoed it as in the video analysis.

 

Y'all are giving me grey hairs!

grayhawk

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Sorry to disappoint the Demuth called it on it's own crowd. In the video below you can clearly see that Jim Joyce called and Demuth echoed at around 3:32 seconds. Both Joyce and Demuth called and pointed the "obstruction". Then Demuth, under delayed action, waited to see what happened to the runner. He called the runner "Safe!" "Pointed back at Jim Joyce, and the obstruction, and then scored the run automatically.

 

Here's the video

 

http://wap.mlb.com/play/?content_id=31187345&query=obstruction

  DeMuth calls it an instant after Joyce, but that hardly means he is echoing the call.

 

Uh, er, um....OKAY! OKAY! OKAY! OKAY! OKAY!

 

C'mon Grayhawk, I know you're better than that. That obstruction call belonged to Jim Joyce at 3rd base. If he didn't see it and called nothing, and Demuth or one of the other umpires saw it, they'd call it, but Joyce saw it, and called it first. It's clear Demuth echoed it as in the video analysis.

 

Y'all are giving me grey hairs!

 

 

I'm really not better than that, because I have never heard of anyone teaching that we should echo an obstruction call made by a partner.  I've heard of echoing an infield fly call, but never anything about echoing an obstruction call.  In fact, in "Maximizing the Two-Umpire System," Jim specifically states that we should echo IFF calls, but is silent about echoing on interference or obstruction.  DeMuth wasn't echoing, because he is not supposed to echo.  However, is IS supposed to call obstruction when he sees it, which is what he did on that play.

BigSimonia

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What is supposed to happen is Joyce announces the obstruction, in this case Demuth saw the play, so when there was a tag he should call time, instead he showed safe. Since he saw the obstruction himself there was no reason to get together with JJ, he just awarded home. Now if it had happened while he was watching something else, he would call the out, then JJ makes the award. 

OK - I got it that that's how it went down in this situation.  But your mechanics should be mechanical and not depend on the situation (otherwise they'd be called situationics - or some such).  But what would have happened IF DeMuth (who, remember, is not the one who made the call  (and in 6-man I'm not sure it would be his call to make in any event)) determined that Craig would have made it home safely but for the obstruction but JJ, in the exercise of his judgment, felt that Craig would have been tagged out regardless?  Now, with DeMuth signalling "safe" you have a real problem - which, is why I believe the proper mechanic to be applied is for JJ to call the obstruction, DeMuth to complete the play (and call Craig out on the tag), DeMuth to then call "time" and then to consult with JJ who made the call before making the obstruction award. 

 

In any event it was good umpiring and fun to watch

 

That is why the umpire should make no call at all.  By doing so, it looks bad.  First, he is out.  Now, he is safe.  What's going on?  Simply call Time.  Make a mental note of what the play was.  Talk to partner to find out if he believes the runner would have made it or not if partner is making the OBS call.  Then, make the call and explain it to the HC.  This way, no team is ready to "come unglued" before anything is determined.  They have to wait to see what the outcome is before they do anything. 

 

Also, OBS/INT is any umpire's call who sees it.  In 6 man or 2 man, doesn't matter.  Even in a 3 or more man crew, something can happen behind an umpire and the rest have to be looking.  U3 could have easily not seen the OBS b/c he is watching to see if the ball goes OOP and may miss the OBS. 

 

Okay - What would have happened if both DeMuth and Joyce make the obstruction call - who determines the award?  What if JJ felt that the obstruction on Craig did not prevent him from safely reaching home (let's say Craig tripped again halfway home) and DeMuth thinks that it WAS the obstruction that kept Craig from reaching home safely?  At a minimum, deMuth should have called time first and then indicated the obstruction award with the safe signal.

Texas Manny

Texas Manny

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Sorry to disappoint the Demuth called it on it's own crowd. In the video below you can clearly see that Jim Joyce called and Demuth echoed at around 3:32 seconds. Both Joyce and Demuth called and pointed the "obstruction". Then Demuth, under delayed action, waited to see what happened to the runner. He called the runner "Safe!" "Pointed back at Jim Joyce, and the obstruction, and then scored the run automatically.

 

Here's the video

 

http://wap.mlb.com/play/?content_id=31187345&query=obstruction

  DeMuth calls it an instant after Joyce, but that hardly means he is echoing the call.

 

Uh, er, um....OKAY! OKAY! OKAY! OKAY! OKAY!

 

C'mon Grayhawk, I know you're better than that. That obstruction call belonged to Jim Joyce at 3rd base. If he didn't see it and called nothing, and Demuth or one of the other umpires saw it, they'd call it, but Joyce saw it, and called it first. It's clear Demuth echoed it as in the video analysis.

 

Y'all are giving me grey hairs!

 

 

I'm really not better than that, because I have never heard of anyone teaching that we should echo an obstruction call made by a partner.  I've heard of echoing an infield fly call, but never anything about echoing an obstruction call.  In fact, in "Maximizing the Two-Umpire System," Jim specifically states that we should echo IFF calls, but is silent about echoing on interference or obstruction.  DeMuth wasn't echoing, because he is not supposed to echo.  However, is IS supposed to call obstruction when he sees it, which is what he did on that play.

 

Okay, it's clear that our definition of echoing is different here. I'm looking it at series of events from the outside. You're looking at it from the umpire mechanical standpoint. With mechanics, you are correct. No echo on Obstruction or Interference. Yes, to IFF, balks. I am correct in the sense that Jim called first, then Demuth echoed the call. So I will say that we're both right, for each ones individual observations. Jim called it. Dana called it. They both called it. It was called. It was ruled correctly. We all win.

1dumbquestion

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Sorry to disappoint the Demuth called it on it's own crowd. In the video below you can clearly see that Jim Joyce called and Demuth echoed at around 3:32 seconds. Both Joyce and Demuth called and pointed the "obstruction". Then Demuth, under delayed action, waited to see what happened to the runner. He called the runner "Safe!" "Pointed back at Jim Joyce, and the obstruction, and then scored the run automatically.

 

Here's the video

 

http://wap.mlb.com/play/?content_id=31187345&query=obstruction

 

Sorry to disappoint you Manny. I don't know how to do a screenshot but at 3:30.5 (yeah, and a half) BOTH Demuth and Joyce are pointing at the OBS, Demuth is pointing and looking right up the line not in the direction of Joyce. He is clearly calling the OBS on his own. 1

Texas Manny

Texas Manny

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Sorry to disappoint the Demuth called it on it's own crowd. In the video below you can clearly see that Jim Joyce called and Demuth echoed at around 3:32 seconds. Both Joyce and Demuth called and pointed the "obstruction". Then Demuth, under delayed action, waited to see what happened to the runner. He called the runner "Safe!" "Pointed back at Jim Joyce, and the obstruction, and then scored the run automatically.

 

Here's the video

 

http://wap.mlb.com/play/?content_id=31187345&query=obstruction

 

Sorry to disappoint you Manny. I don't know how to do a screenshot but at 3:30.5 (yeah, and a half) BOTH Demuth and Joyce are pointing at the OBS, Demuth is pointing and looking right up the line not in the direction of Joyce. He is clearly calling the OBS on his own. 1

 

Here's the photo action. You can clearly see that Jim Joyce is in the act of calling "Obstruction", and Dana Demuth is still calling the out at home plate on the first throw by F4. Dana then "echoes" the call Jim Joyce made, by pointing towards the area of the obstruction, and he more than likely verbalized it, after the obstruction occurred. In fact the runner is already "over" the 3rd baseman, and on his way home. It is evident that Jim made the obstruction call because he was credited with making the initial call, as witnessed from the press conference conversations after the game. Demuth remained very silent in the P.C.

 

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grayhawk

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Sorry to disappoint the Demuth called it on it's own crowd. In the video below you can clearly see that Jim Joyce called and Demuth echoed at around 3:32 seconds. Both Joyce and Demuth called and pointed the "obstruction". Then Demuth, under delayed action, waited to see what happened to the runner. He called the runner "Safe!" "Pointed back at Jim Joyce, and the obstruction, and then scored the run automatically.

 

Here's the video

 

http://wap.mlb.com/play/?content_id=31187345&query=obstruction

  DeMuth calls it an instant after Joyce, but that hardly means he is echoing the call.

 

Uh, er, um....OKAY! OKAY! OKAY! OKAY! OKAY!

 

C'mon Grayhawk, I know you're better than that. That obstruction call belonged to Jim Joyce at 3rd base. If he didn't see it and called nothing, and Demuth or one of the other umpires saw it, they'd call it, but Joyce saw it, and called it first. It's clear Demuth echoed it as in the video analysis.

 

Y'all are giving me grey hairs!

 

 

I'm really not better than that, because I have never heard of anyone teaching that we should echo an obstruction call made by a partner.  I've heard of echoing an infield fly call, but never anything about echoing an obstruction call.  In fact, in "Maximizing the Two-Umpire System," Jim specifically states that we should echo IFF calls, but is silent about echoing on interference or obstruction.  DeMuth wasn't echoing, because he is not supposed to echo.  However, is IS supposed to call obstruction when he sees it, which is what he did on that play.

 

Okay, it's clear that our definition of echoing is different here. I'm looking it at series of events from the outside. You're looking at it from the umpire mechanical standpoint. With mechanics, you are correct. No echo on Obstruction or Interference. Yes, to IFF, balks. I am correct in the sense that Jim called first, then Demuth echoed the call. So I will say that we're both right, for each ones individual observations. Jim called it. Dana called it. They both called it. It was called. It was ruled correctly. We all win.

 

 

Well, "echoing" has a specific meaning as an umpire, so I will reiterate that DeMuth was not "echoing."  If Joyce missed it because he was watching the ball, then DeMuth would have called it anyway.

 

As to echoing balk calls, that's debatable, and has been debated ad nauseum here on U-E.  Evans, in "Maximizing," is silent on echoing balks as well, which makes me think it shouldn't be done.

Texas Manny

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Humbly, I apologize if I seem like I'm coming off like an butthole. I'm not trying to. I'm very frustrated because many here treat me like I'm an idiot and with total disrespect; just wishing and wanting to put me down all the time. I'm not saying I don't make mistakes, but honestly, I really do try to have my facts straight before saying anything, because the last thing I want to do is confuse, hinder, instruct, or say something that is wrong. I've made some mistakes in the past, so I'm being damn sure I don't repeat them.

ricka56

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Okay - What would have happened if both DeMuth and Joyce make the obstruction call - who determines the award?  What if JJ felt that the obstruction on Craig did not prevent him from safely reaching home (let's say Craig tripped again halfway home) and DeMuth thinks that it WAS the obstruction that kept Craig from reaching home safely? 

Thank God that didn't happen. Can you imagine the SH*#storm if the umpires had to confer to decide the game. And if they didn't confer and it would be a case of who made the call/award first...another holy crap.

basejester

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Okay, it's clear that our definition of echoing is different here. I'm looking it at series of events from the outside. You're looking at it from the umpire mechanical standpoint. With mechanics, you are correct. No echo on Obstruction or Interference. Yes, to IFF, balks. I am correct in the sense that Jim called first, then Demuth echoed the call. So I will say that we're both right, for each ones individual observations. Jim called it. Dana called it. They both called it. It was called. It was ruled correctly. We all win.

The echo metaphor means that the first call caused the second call.  Don't pretend to agree.

Texas Manny

Texas Manny

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Sorry to disappoint the Demuth called it on it's own crowd. In the video below you can clearly see that Jim Joyce called and Demuth echoed at around 3:32 seconds. Both Joyce and Demuth called and pointed the "obstruction". Then Demuth, under delayed action, waited to see what happened to the runner. He called the runner "Safe!" "Pointed back at Jim Joyce, and the obstruction, and then scored the run automatically.

 

Here's the video

 

http://wap.mlb.com/play/?content_id=31187345&query=obstruction

  DeMuth calls it an instant after Joyce, but that hardly means he is echoing the call.

 

Uh, er, um....OKAY! OKAY! OKAY! OKAY! OKAY!

 

C'mon Grayhawk, I know you're better than that. That obstruction call belonged to Jim Joyce at 3rd base. If he didn't see it and called nothing, and Demuth or one of the other umpires saw it, they'd call it, but Joyce saw it, and called it first. It's clear Demuth echoed it as in the video analysis.

 

Y'all are giving me grey hairs!

 

 

I'm really not better than that, because I have never heard of anyone teaching that we should echo an obstruction call made by a partner.  I've heard of echoing an infield fly call, but never anything about echoing an obstruction call.  In fact, in "Maximizing the Two-Umpire System," Jim specifically states that we should echo IFF calls, but is silent about echoing on interference or obstruction.  DeMuth wasn't echoing, because he is not supposed to echo.  However, is IS supposed to call obstruction when he sees it, which is what he did on that play.

 

Okay, it's clear that our definition of echoing is different here. I'm looking it at series of events from the outside. You're looking at it from the umpire mechanical standpoint. With mechanics, you are correct. No echo on Obstruction or Interference. Yes, to IFF, balks. I am correct in the sense that Jim called first, then Demuth echoed the call. So I will say that we're both right, for each ones individual observations. Jim called it. Dana called it. They both called it. It was called. It was ruled correctly. We all win.

 

 

Well, "echoing" has a specific meaning as an umpire, so I will reiterate that DeMuth was not "echoing."  If Joyce missed it because he was watching the ball, then DeMuth would have called it anyway.

 

As to echoing balk calls, that's debatable, and has been debated ad nauseum here on U-E.  Evans, in "Maximizing," is silent on echoing balks as well, which makes me think it shouldn't be done.

 

I understand what you are saying about echoing calls. I appreciate your position and agree with your definition of "echoing" from the umpires perspective.

 

I looked in the Jim Evans manual and I concur with your statement of the Maximizing being silent on the matter.

 

In the Wendelstedt Umpire School Comprehensive Manual for the Two-Umpire System, Balks, pg 20:

 

It is important to remember if/when it is appropriate to make the awards for balks. When a balk is committed, the calling umpire should vocalize, "That's a balk!" The other umpire should echo the call of the balk. When the base umpire calls or echoes a balk it should include him standing up and pointing in the direction of the pitcher. To avoid potential injury, the plate umpire should only vocalize the call.

 

If the balk is enforced, both umpires will award runners their bases...

 

(End of Wendelstedt)

 

So like you stated, ad nauseam, two schools of thought...

Texas Manny

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Okay, it's clear that our definition of echoing is different here. I'm looking it at series of events from the outside. You're looking at it from the umpire mechanical standpoint. With mechanics, you are correct. No echo on Obstruction or Interference. Yes, to IFF, balks. I am correct in the sense that Jim called first, then Demuth echoed the call. So I will say that we're both right, for each ones individual observations. Jim called it. Dana called it. They both called it. It was called. It was ruled correctly. We all win.

The echo metaphor means that the first call caused the second call.  Don't pretend to agree.

 

Back of Basejester. I'm not pretending to agree anything. I was looking at it from the sequence of events as an outsider, an evaluator of the scenario, not as an umpire, as to what came first, the chicken or the egg. I agree with GH's definition of "echoing" from an umpires perspective. I'm not saying he is wrong. We were simply looking at the same events from two different perspectives.

ricka56

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So like you stated, ad nausiem...

no...just nauseum

 

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holy crap...kid, get a grip.

...I'm done poking at this powder keg....I mean it this time...maybe

Texas Manny

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So like you stated, ad nausiem...

no...just nauseum

 

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To a disgusting or ridiculous degree; to the point of nausea.

 

holy crap...kid, get a grip.

...I'm done poking at this powder keg....I mean it this time...maybe

 

I'm not a kid. I'm an educated adult who is being incorrectly corrected by a kid. Big difference.

ricka56

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I'm not a kid. I'm an educated adult who is being incorrectly corrected by a kid. Big difference.

Maybe you're not a kid...but who's your daddy?

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ok...ok...I'm going...

maineump

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As the play goes - great call by Joyce.

What if Middlebrooks tries to get up to chase after the ball and they tangle? Do we still have obstruction or is Middlebrooks in the act of playing the ball?

It happens at 1B a lot, but that is going back into the bag, is this any different - by rule?

 

Just a question - Thanks

That's obstruction.

OBSTRUCTION is the act of a fielder who, while not in possession of the ball and

not in the act of fielding the ball, impedes the progress of any runner.

Rule 2.00 (Obstruction) Comment: If a fielder is about to receive a thrown ball and if the ball is in

flight directly toward and near enough to the fielder so he must occupy his position to receive the ball he

may be considered “in the act of fielding a ball.†It is entirely up to the judgment of the umpire as to

whether a fielder is in the act of fielding a ball. After a fielder has made an attempt to field a ball and

missed, he can no longer be in the “act of fielding†the ball. For example: an infielder dives at a ground ball and the ball passes him and he continues to lie on the ground and delays the progress of the runner, he very likely has obstructed the runner.

 

Thanks -

I made myself scratch my own head, so went and looked it up - just what you have here - great call!

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