Rosin???

[Thunderheads]

Ok, ....

MAYBE .....

But, ...if it were rosin, ...why would you "barely touch it" ???   I'm not so sure about this ..........

 

Your thoughts?

 

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[Texas Manny]

From the Official Baseball Rules, 2013, and verified on Major League Baseball's web-site, www.mlb.com, Rule 8.00: The Pitcher:

 

Rule 8.02(a) Comment: If at any time the ball hits the rosin bag it is in play. In the case of rain or wet field, the umpire may instruct the pitcher to carry the rosin bag in his hip pocket. A pitcher may use the rosin bag for the purpose of applying rosin to his bare hand or hands. Neither the pitcher nor any other player shall dust the ball with the rosin bag; neither shall the pitcher nor any other player be permitted to apply rosin from the bag to his glove or dust any part of his uniform with the rosin bag.

 

(Bold emphasis added to draw attention to the key part of the rule comment.)

 

No entries in the following manuals found:

 

MLB Umpire Casebook 2013

PBUC Black Book 2013

Wendelstedt Umpire School Rules & Interpretations Manual

 

I think that 8.02(a) Comment, clearly shows that even though the material in the glove may be rosin, he is violating the rules, by his own admission, within 10 seconds of the interview, he states he "puts the rosin bag into the glove" which is illegal. The glove should have been removed, and he should have received a warning, if the umpires thought that the act wasn't intentional to deface. Of course, if the umpires did think he was doing it intentional, then they would kindly and politely excuse him from his duties for the evening. At least they should, but with it being the World Series.....

 

Won't cheat? You did by putting the rosin bag in your glove. Ignorance of the law is no excuse!

[Thunderheads]

Rule 8.02(a) Comment: If at any time the ball hits the rosin bag it is in play. In the case of rain or wet field, the umpire may instruct the pitcher to carry the rosin bag in his hip pocket. A pitcher may use the rosin bag for the purpose of applying rosin to his bare hand or hands. Neither the pitcher nor any other player shall dust the ball with the rosin bag; neither shall the pitcher nor any other player be permitted to apply rosin from the bag to his glove or dust any part of his uniform with the rosin bag.

 

Checking on manuals now...brb with an edit.

WHOAH!!!  

[kanedog]

It won't be there for game 5.

I think Manny is highlighting that nothing should be on his glove anyways based on his comment that it was rosin.

[Concernedcitizen2]

Wow, how did MLB rule this was a non-issue then, even if they use the rosin defense seems pretty clear cut that it's a violation

[Texas Manny]

 

Rule 8.02(a) Comment: If at any time the ball hits the rosin bag it is in play. In the case of rain or wet field, the umpire may instruct the pitcher to carry the rosin bag in his hip pocket. A pitcher may use the rosin bag for the purpose of applying rosin to his bare hand or hands. Neither the pitcher nor any other player shall dust the ball with the rosin bag; neither shall the pitcher nor any other player be permitted to apply rosin from the bag to his glove or dust any part of his uniform with the rosin bag.

 

Checking on manuals now...brb with an edit.

WHOAH!!!  

 

That full statement is a direct quote from the OBR 2013, and confirmed off MLB's web-site. I did nothing to the comment other than highlight the area that applied. I will go back and cite my post.

[Thunderheads]

 

 

Rule 8.02(a) Comment: If at any time the ball hits the rosin bag it is in play. In the case of rain or wet field, the umpire may instruct the pitcher to carry the rosin bag in his hip pocket. A pitcher may use the rosin bag for the purpose of applying rosin to his bare hand or hands. Neither the pitcher nor any other player shall dust the ball with the rosin bag; neither shall the pitcher nor any other player be permitted to apply rosin from the bag to his glove or dust any part of his uniform with the rosin bag.

 

Checking on manuals now...brb with an edit.

WHOAH!!!  

 

That full statement is a direct quote from the MLB 2013 Rulebook, and confirmed off MLB's web-site. I did nothing to the comment other than highlight the area that applied. I will go back and cite my post.

 

No Manny, those emoticons aren't directed towards you, it's directed towards ..... "How was this allowed, and why was it brushed over????"  Good job by the way!

[Texas Manny]

 

 

 

Rule 8.02(a) Comment: If at any time the ball hits the rosin bag it is in play. In the case of rain or wet field, the umpire may instruct the pitcher to carry the rosin bag in his hip pocket. A pitcher may use the rosin bag for the purpose of applying rosin to his bare hand or hands. Neither the pitcher nor any other player shall dust the ball with the rosin bag; neither shall the pitcher nor any other player be permitted to apply rosin from the bag to his glove or dust any part of his uniform with the rosin bag.

 

Checking on manuals now...brb with an edit.

WHOAH!!!  

 

That full statement is a direct quote from the MLB 2013 Rulebook, and confirmed off MLB's web-site. I did nothing to the comment other than highlight the area that applied. I will go back and cite my post.

 

No Manny, those emoticons aren't directed towards you, it's directed towards ..... "How was this allowed, and why was it brushed over????"  Good job by the way!

 

No problem Thunder. Twice bitten, once gun-shy. It's all good. I think that his glove will not have it in the next pitching start, as it will be addressed, because attention was brought to the matter.

[kanedog]

Reminds me of Kenny Rogers vs the Yankees in Game 5 with his hat but no one could find it afterwards.

[Thunderheads]

Reminds me of Kenny Rogers vs the Yankees in Game 5 with his HAND but no one could find it afterwards.

fixed

[noumpere]

its one of those rules that's enforced only when blatantly and overly misused.  I think the intent might once have been to avoid a "puff" of powder when the ball was released to distract the batter and maybe also to prevent the runner from thinking the pitcher had the ball when all he really had was the rosin bag. 

 

That said I would not be at all surprised if there was some sort of inspection of his glove before the next game -- even if its done well before the game and out of sight of the tv cameras etc. (or maybe they will do it on TV to make a point)

[UmpJeff]

Jeff,

 

I'll answer your Rosin??? question:

 

It's certainly not pine tar..."...it looks like a giant booger, almost, you know..."

 

Really???

[Dannytheman]

Vaseline!!   Oh well!!  

[Richvee]

This is just the latest episode. I think we're getting to the point where something's got to give. Bucholtz' "glossy" arm earlier this season that MLB network uncovered is just one other example. How many pitchers do we see night after night with pine tar or rosin on the bill of their caps? It's either time to acknowledge and legislate the use of pine tar or rosin/water  on the fingertips, or start enforcing the rule as is. It's almost silly seeing these guys with the pine tar soaked hats go to the brim of the cap after every pitch and nothing is said or done. Listen to Maddon and others after Davey Johnson called out Peralta on the pine tar. Like Maddon or not, it's obvious there's pitchers all over baseball using stuff on the their fingers for a better grip. It's pretty nuts to just turn a blind eye to it because everybody does it and only act when a manager questions an opposing pitcher. 

 

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[iankelleyumpire]

Haha. I always had a little pine tar in my glove in one certain spot, on top of constantly using the rosin. I have extremely dry hands and would always need a grip. I would get in trouble for going to my mouth a lot to lick fingers, but would usually just blow into my hand or something if it became an issue. I didn't do it to alter the ball or put anything on the ball, it was simply because I hand such dry hands! I could care less about how the ball was, I just needed a little grip to get a good hold on the ball. Never was a huge issue with any umpires I ever had though, maybe it's because I knew them all. Haha.

[ricka56]

Has anyone here ever been asked to confront F1 about foreign substances? How would you respond to such a request? My first thought would be that the asking HC was trying to get inside opposing F1's head and I'd be hesitant about indulging him. Followed by having a SH*#ty time trying to keep my focus the rest of the game, thanks. 

[Richvee]

Never happened to me but it raises an interesting question. If asked by a HC, am I obligated to check F1's hat/glove? 

[Texas Manny]

Never happened to me but it raises an interesting question. If asked by a HC, am I obligated to check F1's hat/glove? 

If you are presented with an argument under 8.02(A)(2-5) or 8.02(B) to inspect the ball, and the ball shows signs of foreign materials or defacing, then you are obligated to check the pitcher for any infraction. If the pitcher is found in possession of a foreign substance or illegal item, then according to the WUS Rules & Interpretations Manual, the umpire will immediately eject the offender from the game. See 8.02(B).

 

The manual goes further to say that the foreign substance or illegal item should be confiscated, if possible, including any article of clothing or apparel that is coated with it. The umpires will have them secured to send to the league offices. You would need to address this pending the level of play you are working and what their requirements are, aka, NCAA, FED, or youth.

 

If the full discussion is wanted, please request it and I'll write it out.

[Haid D' Salaami]

Wow, how did MLB rule this was a non-issue then, even if they use the rosin defense seems pretty clear cut that it's a violation

what would you like MLB to do after the game is over?....is there is now they can prove it...

[grayhawk]

 

Wow, how did MLB rule this was a non-issue then, even if they use the rosin defense seems pretty clear cut that it's a violation

what would you like MLB to do after the game is over?....is there is now they can prove it...

 

 

What will be interesting is what happens when Lester pitches next.  Will he have the rosin on his glove?  You can bet that the Cards will want it checked.  Even if they don't think it's an advantage, it's a chance to disrupt a pitcher from his normal routine.