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Fittske24
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These camps are an investment in your umpiring future. However these camps have diffrent meanings for umpires at different levels in their umpire career. These collegiate sponsored camps are usually t

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Interesting, but I hope this is not going the way of the basketball camps which are just money makers for those involved in the camps in which there was trouble years ago. The poor guy who is a very g

Fittske24
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For those who complain about the money let me break it down like this... The Florida Advanced 3/4 man clinic is a 7 day clinic. Cost $300. For that money you get 8-10 hours per day of instruction f

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Interesting, but I hope this is not going the way of the basketball camps which are just money makers for those involved in the camps in which there was trouble years ago. The poor guy who is a very good and deserving HS umpire that everyone knows is the best and should already be a D2 umpire and moving on toward being a D1 umpire because guys in his Association are already D2 and D1, but cannot come up with the money for a couple of camps no longer has a chance of moving up, since they use the camp system. It's a crying shame when other umpires cannot get an umpire moved up a notch without spending 1,000 to 4,000 over a couple years at camps. This is how it is in basketball now, and it looks like the wave of the future for umpires also. So, get that money built up for a camp and go if you would like to move up to the next level cause hard work and word of mouth are not going to mean anything unless you attend that camp.

 

Just a pet peeve that a guy can no longer work his way from the bottom to the top with the school of hard knocks without paying money to get into the top level.

 

Of course you cannot do that for the pros either. Haven't been able to for quite a while either. Doug Harvey was last to not go to some sort of umpire training program.

 

So it goes. Its like having to be on a travel ball team now days. Do players have to pay a fee for tryouts now days, or are they just out the gas money of getting to the tryout. Do they have to pay a fee to the scouts who see them to go to a tryout camp?

 

Of course, the camps are good, just like umpire school if you would like to learn and be immersed in umpiring which should help in ones overall knowledge to be the best they can be at whatever level. It can help save a lot of trial and error for the new umpire and probably help move them up the ladder quicker since hopefully clinics will help show them positioning and play awareness and situation handling so they can make better calls and handle situations better.

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JaxRolo

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Interesting, but I hope this is not going the way of the basketball camps which are just money makers for those involved in the camps in which there was trouble years ago. The poor guy who is a very good and deserving HS umpire that everyone knows is the best and should already be a D2 umpire and moving on toward being a D1 umpire because guys in his Association are already D2 and D1, but cannot come up with the money for a couple of camps no longer has a chance of moving up, since they use the camp system. It's a crying shame when other umpires cannot get an umpire moved up a notch without spending 1,000 to 4,000 over a couple years at camps. This is how it is in basketball now, and it looks like the wave of the future for umpires also. So, get that money built up for a camp and go if you would like to move up to the next level cause hard work and word of mouth are not going to mean anything unless you attend that camp.

 

Just a pet peeve that a guy can no longer work his way from the bottom to the top with the school of hard knocks without paying money to get into the top level.

 

Of course you cannot do that for the pros either. Haven't been able to for quite a while either. Doug Harvey was last to not go to some sort of umpire training program.

 

So it goes. Its like having to be on a travel ball team now days. Do players have to pay a fee for tryouts now days, or are they just out the gas money of getting to the tryout. Do they have to pay a fee to the scouts who see them to go to a tryout camp?

 

Of course, the camps are good, just like umpire school if you would like to learn and be immersed in umpiring which should help in ones overall knowledge to be the best they can be at whatever level. It can help save a lot of trial and error for the new umpire and probably help move them up the ladder quicker since hopefully clinics will help show them positioning and play awareness and situation handling so they can make better calls and handle situations better.

 

I agree! I spent $300 on their camp in July. Thought I had an excellent chance to make it into FCU. Get excellent feedback and praises. Now I another $300 (which I would pay) but I can not take another week off work.

 

It does get expensive. You also have to pay for your own meals and Hotel. $300 turns into $600 or more.

Umpire in Chief

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I won't name names, but there are collegiate groups that are definitely pay to play. 

 

That said, if you are gaining additional knowledge and skills then you are getting what you are paying for.

Fittske24

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These camps are an investment in your umpiring future. However these camps have diffrent meanings for umpires at different levels in their umpire career. These collegiate sponsored camps are usually the only way to get exposure to college level assigners. However, don't expect to get seen unless you give them a reason to look at you....

Now as I see it, these camps are for two types of umpires, ones looking to break into college ball, and ones all ready in college ball looking to advance. However there is a third type of umpire that also attends, it's the umpire not looking to do either, they just are attending to get better individually. If you are looking to break into college ball, then you have a lot of pre work to do. You can't just simply show up and think you will be "noticed" among the 60+ umpires attending. Is it possible? Sure, but highly unlikely unless you are a total beast on the field. If your going to get seen, you have to make your contact with the association leadership before hand, to let them know who you are and to get on their radar. This is what will seperate you from the regular Joes who are just attending. This way the group leadership can focus on you during the camp and give you honest feedback as to your chances of getting picked up or invited to a tryout.

For the college umpire that's looking to move up.... It's a good idea to let the assignors and Conference coordinators know you are looking to move up. There is a good chance that they probably know who you are already. So know that eyes are on you at all times and act accordingly.

Next let's talk about the cost. The average collegiate level camp runs between $200-$500 per student. A portion of this goes toward facilities rental and to pay the "big names" usually a Pro guy or two and some of the top D1 guys that are associated with the group. The money may sound like a lot, and for HS umpires, that may translate into 6-10 game fees. If you already a college umpire it translate into 1-3 game fees. At the end of the day, these camps are an investment in your career. One game at the D-1 level will more than pay for the camp.

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mstaylor

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I don't like the direction the college staffs have gone. I understand having to be seen by college assigners to move up, that's fine. What I don't like is repeated camp investments you have to make once in a group. I was on a college staff that required you to attend the NCAA clinic, which makes sense, but for me was a three day trip to Atlanta, half a seaboard away. There was the same clinic in PA but that didn't count for us. Then I had to attend yearly clinics for the staff that were either in NC or FL, again quite a trek and investment. There was six schools in my area, one 7 miles away, one 60 miles away, the other four two hours or more. No mileage, we only got non conference during the week, three games a year max, had to chase your money, but you still had to jump through the same hoops as the guys getting the conference weekend series. These guys were all pro school grads. The current system is slightly better, simply because there is a chance to work more than one conference. 

Now if you are a HS guy looking to move up then I can see talking to somebody in the group and then go to their clinic. If you want to just get better then you can go to anybody's clinic, including ones that have nothing to do with a college assigner. 

Fittske24

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For those who complain about the money let me break it down like this...

The Florida Advanced 3/4 man clinic is a 7 day clinic. Cost $300. For that money you get 8-10 hours per day of instruction from MLB umpires and top D1 umpires. That's about $45 per day or 5 dollars an hour that you're spending for personal instruction from guys who make $500-$1400 a game umpiring.

Like I said... that $300 is an investment and I'll make it back my first 2 games of the year.

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mstaylor

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I don't disagree, I just like conferences requirement to constantly pay for basically the same instruction. I am a big fan of clinics, it is what keeps us sharp.

JaxRolo

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Like I said before I would be happy to pay for it. But I just can't take another full week of work right now.

mstaylor

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I also go to clinics based on geography. If it is close enough then I go. MidAmerica sounds like a great camp, it is just too far for me to go. 

flastyle727

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Someone mentioned it, I could have told the truth :) - By the way the pawn shop wouldn't buy the Wendelstedt card. They said if it was a Jim Evans card it would be worth something!!

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Someone mentioned it, I could have told the truth :) - By the way the pawn shop wouldn't buy the Wendelstedt card. They said if it was a Jim Evans card it would be worth something!!

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By the way The Stache does have a Jim Evans card.  :wave:

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Haid D' Salaami

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Someone mentioned it, I could have told the truth :) - By the way the pawn shop wouldn't buy the Wendelstedt card. They said if it was a Jim Evans card it would be worth something!!

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yeah.....LOL

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