Ortiz throws a tempter tantrum

[CentralOhioUmp30]

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What a di**head.

[Concernedcitizen2]

Is that grounds for ejection though? From what I can take from the video, he's jawing at the umpire as he's walking back (for which he definitely could be ejected) but once he's back in the dugout hitting the phone, why could the ump eject him for that? The bashing wasn't directed at the ump

[Lindsay]

Because of Ortiz's actions in standing tall for pitch #4 (strike 1), the top of his strike zone increased in height significantly.

 

Pitch #3 (Ball 3): Top of strike zone was 3.77 feet vertical.

Pitch #4 (Strike 1): Top of strike zone was 4.06 feet vertical.

Pitch #5 (Strike 2): Top of strike zone was 3.85 feet vertical.

Pitch #6 (Strike 3): Top of strike zone was 3.85 feet vertical.

 

Pitch #4 was associated with a pz value of 4.032, which means that had Ortiz remained in his lower-oriented stance and not stood up during the delivery, the pitch would have indeed been out of his strike zone; because he changed to a higher-oriented stance, the pitch was located below his midpoint, and accordingly, was correctly ruled a strike.

[BigUmpire]

Great for young players to see.

Hope he gets a week off.

[afaber12]

Everyone knows that if you start heading up the first base line for ball four before the call is made and its somewhere close to the zone, you're asking for it to be called a strike. As a player you just don't do it.

 

This is the same sort of thing. He hadn't signalled for time, and there was no indication that he verbally asked for time - at least not on the video. He just started backing away from the plate after the pitcher had started his motion. I was pretty sure there was a rarely used rule that could apply here, and though I think the pitch was easily close enough  to the zone to be called a strike anyway, 6.02c says:

If the batter refuses to take his position in the batter’s box during his time at bat, the

umpire shall call a strike on the batter. The ball is dead, and no runners may

advance. After the penalty, the batter may take his proper position and the regular

ball and strike count shall continue. If the batter does not take his proper position

before three strikes have been called, the batter shall be declared out.

 

I don't know why he would, but it could seem like that stepping out was Ortiz's way of trying to start... I dunno but something.

 

I also find the first quote from Ortiz in an article about it on the Red Sox site (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130727&content_id=55000392&vkey=news_bos&c_id=bos) interesting:

 

"All I've got to tell you is I've got 17 years in the league and I don't think I deserve to be disrespected like that," Ortiz said.

 

I don't care how long or how great your career has been. You step out of the box while the pitcher's pitching like that, with no apparent reason other than his crystal ball told him it would be a ball, "respect" is the last thing that comes to mind.

[bam]

That's what steroids will do.....

[dumbdumb]

Respect from the ball player angle is directly related to the call. If you miss the call on me you have disrespected me and if you get the call right, you have respected me and this is being 2 faced. Why 2 faced.

Because, to make an error for a player, (ie-ball between the wickets, muffed fly ball, base running error, missed signal, looking at a pitch right down broadway, etc) are just human errors and not showing disrespect for the game or fans or teammates or umpires.

Yet umpires making a human error is a show of disrespect to the player.

Unfortunately, there is always going to be an adversarial (conflict) component to the player/umpire relationship. Hasn't changed in how many years?

[basejester]

I was pretty sure there was a rarely used rule that could apply here, and though I think the pitch was easily close enough  to the zone to be called a strike anyway, 6.02c says:

If the batter refuses to take his position in the batter’s box during his time at bat, the

umpire shall call a strike on the batter. The ball is dead, and no runners may

advance. After the penalty, the batter may take his proper position and the regular

ball and strike count shall continue. If the batter does not take his proper position

before three strikes have been called, the batter shall be declared out.

 

I don't know why he would, but it could seem like that stepping out was Ortiz's way of trying to start... I dunno but something.

 

I also find the first quote from Ortiz in an article about it on the Red Sox site (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130727&content_id=55000392&vkey=news_bos&c_id=bos) interesting:

 

"All I've got to tell you is I've got 17 years in the league and I don't think I deserve to be disrespected like that," Ortiz said.

 

I don't care how long or how great your career has been. You step out of the box while the pitcher's pitching like that, with no apparent reason other than his crystal ball told him it would be a ball, "respect" is the last thing that comes to mind.

 

The rule that applies is 6.02 (b).  The penalty for this in the rules is nothing; balls thrown in the strikezone are still strikes, balls thrown outside of the strikezone are still balls.   Calling a strike regardless of a pitch is the penalty for ( c ).  

 

Everyone I've met essentially applies the penalty in © by increasing the size of the zone, but there's no basis in the rules for this.

That said, the players are out of line when they try to influence the call by starting their path to first base early. They're arguing balls and strikes before the call.   

 

 

(a) The batter shall take his position in the batter’s box promptly when it is his time at

bat.

(b) The batter shall not leave his position in the batter’s box after the pitcher comes to

Set Position, or starts his windup.

PENALTY: If the pitcher pitches, the umpire shall call “Ball†or “Strike,†as the

case may be.

© If the batter refuses to take his position in the batter’s box during his time at bat, the

umpire shall call a strike on the batter. The ball is dead, and no runners may

advance. After the penalty, the batter may take his proper position and the regular

ball and strike count shall continue. If the batter does not take his proper position

before three strikes have been called, the batter shall be declared out.

[BigUmpire]

 

I was pretty sure there was a rarely used rule that could apply here, and though I think the pitch was easily close enough  to the zone to be called a strike anyway, 6.02c says:

 

If the batter refuses to take his position in the batter’s box during his time at bat, the

umpire shall call a strike on the batter. The ball is dead, and no runners may

advance. After the penalty, the batter may take his proper position and the regular

ball and strike count shall continue. If the batter does not take his proper position

before three strikes have been called, the batter shall be declared out.

 

I don't know why he would, but it could seem like that stepping out was Ortiz's way of trying to start... I dunno but something.

 

I also find the first quote from Ortiz in an article about it on the Red Sox site (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130727&content_id=55000392&vkey=news_bos&c_id=bos) interesting:

 

"All I've got to tell you is I've got 17 years in the league and I don't think I deserve to be disrespected like that," Ortiz said.

 

I don't care how long or how great your career has been. You step out of the box while the pitcher's pitching like that, with no apparent reason other than his crystal ball told him it would be a ball, "respect" is the last thing that comes to mind.

 

 

The rule that applies is 6.02 (b).  The penalty for this in the rules is nothing; balls thrown in the strikezone are still strikes, balls thrown outside of the strikezone are still balls.   Calling a strike regardless of a pitch is the penalty for ( c ).  

 

Everyone I've met essentially applies the penalty in © by increasing the size of the zone, but there's no basis in the rules for this.

That said, the players are out of line when they try to influence the call by starting their path to first base early. They're arguing balls and strikes before the call.   

 

 

(a) The batter shall take his position in the batter’s box promptly when it is his time at

bat.

(b) The batter shall not leave his position in the batter’s box after the pitcher comes to

Set Position, or starts his windup.

PENALTY: If the pitcher pitches, the umpire shall call “Ball†or “Strike,†as the

case may be.

© If the batter refuses to take his position in the batter’s box during his time at bat, the

umpire shall call a strike on the batter. The ball is dead, and no runners may

advance. After the penalty, the batter may take his proper position and the regular

ball and strike count shall continue. If the batter does not take his proper position

before three strikes have been called, the batter shall be declared out.

 

"They're arguing balls and strikes before the call"   

Exactly. Well put.

 

 

[Concernedcitizen2]

So nobody else thinks the ejection was unwarrented? Players throw equipment down/take out their frustrations all the time in the dugout

[basejester]

So nobody else thinks the ejection was unwarrented?

nope

[BigUmpire]

So nobody else thinks the ejection was unwarrented? Players throw equipment down/take out their frustrations all the time in the dugout

When it is so loud, gets on the field, causes a distraction and is like this. YUBETCHA!

 

• “We are stewards of baseball. Our customers aren't teams or coaches or divisions. Our customer is the game itself.â€

[JHSump]

Boston Coach: "Hello, Verizon?  We need a repairman down here.  One of my children threw a temper tantrum and destroyed our home phone line."

Verizon: "Wa wa wa wa..."

Boston Coach: "Yeah, I know this is the third time."

Verizon: "Wa wa wa, wa wa wa wa!"

Boston Coach: "Well, he just got sent to his room.  His younger brother had to tackle him to stop him from doing any other damage."

Verizon: "Wa wa wa.  Wa wa, wa wa."

Boston Coach: "Whadya mean I don't know how to parent?  I've been a parent for 10 years!"

Verizon: "Wa, wa."

Boston Coach: "Ten years, or one year repeated ten times??  What does that mean?"

[UMP45]

So nobody else thinks the ejection was unwarrented? Players throw equipment down/take out their frustrations all the time in the dugout

Nope. This is borderline "Fan-ease"!

[Thunderheads]

Because of Ortiz's actions in standing tall for pitch #4 (strike 1), the top of his strike zone increased in height significantly.

 

Pitch #3 (Ball 3): Top of strike zone was 3.77 feet vertical.

Pitch #4 (Strike 1): Top of strike zone was 4.06 feet vertical.

Pitch #5 (Strike 2): Top of strike zone was 3.85 feet vertical.

Pitch #6 (Strike 3): Top of strike zone was 3.85 feet vertical.

 

Pitch #4 was associated with a pz value of 4.032, which means that had Ortiz remained in his lower-oriented stance and not stood up during the delivery, the pitch would have indeed been out of his strike zone; because he changed to a higher-oriented stance, the pitch was located below his midpoint, and accordingly, was correctly ruled a strike.

He wasn't in the box though?

Guys.....

Put yourself in Timmon's shoes....would you call that a strike??

Jeff - via Tapatalk

[BigUmpire]

 

Because of Ortiz's actions in standing tall for pitch #4 (strike 1), the top of his strike zone increased in height significantly.

 

Pitch #3 (Ball 3): Top of strike zone was 3.77 feet vertical.

Pitch #4 (Strike 1): Top of strike zone was 4.06 feet vertical.

Pitch #5 (Strike 2): Top of strike zone was 3.85 feet vertical.

Pitch #6 (Strike 3): Top of strike zone was 3.85 feet vertical.

 

Pitch #4 was associated with a pz value of 4.032, which means that had Ortiz remained in his lower-oriented stance and not stood up during the delivery, the pitch would have indeed been out of his strike zone; because he changed to a higher-oriented stance, the pitch was located below his midpoint, and accordingly, was correctly ruled a strike.

He wasn't in the box though?

Guys.....

Put yourself in Timmon's shoes....would you call that a strike??

Jeff - via Tapatalk

 

You damn right I would!

[scrounge]

Is that grounds for ejection though? From what I can take from the video, he's jawing at the umpire as he's walking back (for which he definitely could be ejected) but once he's back in the dugout hitting the phone, why could the ump eject him for that? The bashing wasn't directed at the ump

Seriously? A raving maniac going crazy in the dugout in DIRECT response to a balls/strikes call, then immediately turns and starts yelling profanities at the BU? The bashing wasn't directed at the ump? What on earth do you think it was directed at? You think he was just REALLY upset about all the calls from the bullpen?

[UMP45]

 

Because of Ortiz's actions in standing tall for pitch #4 (strike 1), the top of his strike zone increased in height significantly.

 

Pitch #3 (Ball 3): Top of strike zone was 3.77 feet vertical.

Pitch #4 (Strike 1): Top of strike zone was 4.06 feet vertical.

Pitch #5 (Strike 2): Top of strike zone was 3.85 feet vertical.

Pitch #6 (Strike 3): Top of strike zone was 3.85 feet vertical.

 

Pitch #4 was associated with a pz value of 4.032, which means that had Ortiz remained in his lower-oriented stance and not stood up during the delivery, the pitch would have indeed been out of his strike zone; because he changed to a higher-oriented stance, the pitch was located below his midpoint, and accordingly, was correctly ruled a strike.

He wasn't in the box though?

Guys.....

Put yourself in Timmon's shoes....would you call that a strike??

Jeff - via Tapatalk

 

Yes. And twice on Sunday!

[Richvee]

So nobody else thinks the ejection was unwarrented? Players throw equipment down/take out their frustrations all the time in the dugout

Nope. Nobody. Including team mates. Watch the video again and see if  Pedroia thinks he should have been ejected. 

 

Disrespected. Give me a break. Heard the disrespect BS from Ortiz before. Like when Boston signed him to a one year deal a few years back, and he started moaning about how that contract disrespected him. The guy is one of the few who has just skated his proven PED usage somehow while others get suspensions. Respect? Has to be earned Mr. Ortiz. And you'll get none from me. 

[BigUmpire]

Respect in the Major leagues?

Here is what this business is about as a player and your ability to do the following:

1. Put butts in the seats in a stadium
2. Get lots of people to watch you on TV
3. Sell your merchandise (shirts etc.)
4. Sell add time to sponsors
5. AND maybe win some games hopefully- enough to get to post season where the real money per game is.

If you are unhappy with a contract offered you tell your agent to shop you to other teams.

MLB is a business, not a worship hall for you.

[CentralOhioUmp30]

To the people questioning the ejection, I'd love to see what an ejectionable offense is in your mind. Woah!

[cyclonehokiece]

He should get two bills from this, one from the Maryland Stadium Authority (owner of Oriole Park at Camden Yards) for the phone and one from MLB, with that one maybe also including a unplanned unpaid vacation, for being a jacka$$.

[UMP45]

He played today.

[mstaylor]

You step out, the zone is wide open, he has taken my frame of reference away. He steps back so now he has no look at the zone either. The pitch in question was not a bad pitch. 

[mstaylor]

 

 

 

This is the same sort of thing. He hadn't signalled for time, and there was no indication that he verbally asked for time - at least not on the video. He just started backing away from the plate after the pitcher had started his motion. I was pretty sure there was a rarely used rule that could apply here, and though I think the pitch was easily close enough  to the zone to be called a strike anyway, 6.02c says:

If the batter refuses to take his position in the batter’s box during his time at bat, the

umpire shall call a strike on the batter. The ball is dead, and no runners may

advance. After the penalty, the batter may take his proper position and the regular

ball and strike count shall continue. If the batter does not take his proper position

before three strikes have been called, the batter shall be declared out.

6.02c has nothing to do with this play. He wasn't refusing to get in the box. He was in it, stepped out because he wasn't swinging.