Six More NCAA Test

[noumpere]

Six more questions that was sent to me (from 3 different guys):

 

1) I wont type all this one.  R1.  BR flies to right.  BR passes R1, then reverses and passes him again (so they are in the right order).  Ball drops.  The only two valid choices are:

 

b. R is out the moment he passes R1, but the umpire shoudl not decalre the BR out until the ball hits the goruond

c. BR is immediately out when he passes R1, as the umpre would emphatically declare the BR out the moment he observes the passing.

 

I told him that the answer was C, but I don't have a reference

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2) R2, one out. B1 hits a ground ball to F5. The third base coach has both feet clearly inside the lines of the coach's box. Just about the time that the third baseman is going to field the batted ball, the coach screams, "miss it!" F5 misses the ball, R2 scores and the batter advances to second base.

 

a. There is no call as the coach never left the coaching box.

 

b. Call offensive interference, leave the ball alive until all play has stopped, then call out the batter-runner and return R2 to second.

 

c. Call offensive interference. The ball is dead, call out R2 and return the batter-runner to first base.

 

d. Call offensive interference. The ball is dead immediately. The batter is out and R2 is returned to second base. The base coach is also warned for unsportsmanlike behavior. A repeat of his actions will result in an ejection.

 

I have D but again dont know about the warning

 

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3) R1 and R2, no outs. The umpires fail to call an obvious infield fly. The ball drops and the base runners are attempting to advance.

 

a. After calling "time!" award the batter first base since the ball dropped and advance the other runners one base since they are forced to advance.

 

b. The play will stand as it happens. The batter remains at first base. Any outs made on any base runner will stand.

 

c. If the defense records a double play, call "time!" and nullify the double play. However, allow the batter to keep first base since his batted ball was not caught before it hit the ground.

 

d. Call time and declare the batter out. Nullify any outs made on the base runners who advanced because they thought they were forced to advance because the ball dropped and no "infield fly" call was made. Return the base runners to the bases they occupied at the time of the pitch.

 

AGAIN, I HAVE D

 

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4)

The umpire inadvertently calls an infield fly with runners on 2nd and 3rd. The ball drops untouched. An infielder grabs the ball and throws out R3 at the plate. R2 advanced to third and the BR stopped at first base.

 

a. "Time" is called as soon as the ball touches the ground after the inadvertent call of "infield fly."

 

b. R3 is returned to third base as the umpire's inadvertent call stops all playing action.

 

c. R3 is out at the plate, R2 stays at third and the batter is awarded second base.

 

d. The play stands. R3 is out at home plate. R2 remains at third and the batter is allowed to keep first base since the conditions for an infield fly were not present.

 

ONCE AGAIN, D

 

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5) R1, R2, one out. Bottom of the 8th. B1's base hit to centerfield is fielded by F8 and his throw to the plate, in an attempt to retire R2, gets by the catcher and is rolling towards the offensive dugout. The offensive team, who is excited about the run, starts to cheer and run out of the dugout towards home plate to celebrate. A bench player accidently deflects the ball and the ball rolls into the dugout. At the time the ball entered the dugout, R2 had scored, R1 was advancing to home and the batter was advancing to third base.

 

a. Call "time," Call out R1 and return B1 to second base. Allow R2's run to count.

 

b. It was intentional, both R1 and B1 are called out.

 

c. Call time and award R1 and B1 home because the ball would have gone into the dugout anyway.

 

d. Call "time," call out B1 and return R1 to third. Allow R2's run to count.

 

NO CLUE

 

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6)  Wont copy this one -- 3-2 count, when a batter freezes and is hit outside the batters box but not in the strike zone, is he awarded first on ball 4 or because HBP?  I think ball 4.  And, honestly, who cares? the result is the same.

[JaxRolo]

Just Guessing

 

1. C

2. D

3. Don't know NCAA answer. Only FED and OBR

4. D

5. Don't know. Guessing A

6. ?

[zm1283]

1) I had C.  Whether the ball is caught or not is irrelevant to the BR.  He is out either way as soon as he passes.  The only other thing you could have is an appeal of R1 at first if he doesn't retouch in time.

 

2) Pretty sure I had D.  Look under "Team Offensive Interference".  It's in rule 3 or 4, can't remember.  I would tell you for sure but my book is in my truck.

 

3) I think I had B, but I probably missed that one.  It was one of a couple that I had no clue about.  The NCAA book talks about declared IFF, but I couldn't find anything about undeclared IFFs, which FED does address.  

 

4) I didn't have this question on my test, but D makes the most sense.  The runners advance at their own peril.  

 

5) I had A.

 

6) I didn't have this one either, but why is it a question?  If you're ruling that he was hit outside the box, it isn't a HBP, so you're ruling whether it was a ball or strike, and since it's a ball, it's ball four.  

[Jocko]

The only difference in #6 (which is a biggie, BTW) is whether the ball is live or dead.

[noumpere]

The only difference in #6 (which is a biggie, BTW) is whether the ball is live or dead.

It's dead either way when a batter gets hit.

[cyclonehokiece]

 

The only difference in #6 (which is a biggie, BTW) is whether the ball is live or dead.

It's dead either way when a batter gets hit.

 

Darn it you beat me to that.  It is a rule book knowledge question, with the result being the same either way, dead ball, batter awarded first.  With the question the way it is written, it is HTBT, but like the OP said, same result no matter what.

[Jocko]

DING!DING!DING!

The ball becomes dead. Seems the question some have is more a scoring issue. Book it as a HBP? BB? In my mind, it's HBP. He was, in fact, the batter. He was, in fact, hit by a pitch. The RESULT is identical. The question kinda answers itself.

[johnnyg08]

It's a base on balls.  Ball 4.  Umpire could also judge that pitch to have been a strike.  But the question clearly states that the pitch is a "ball"

 

In NCAA the batter's body is protected within the lines of the batter's box, not on the outside of the box. 

[Jocko]

If he's bailing on a pitch and gets hit it's what? A dead ball ball? i'm not doubting anyone but myself, but the mental image I'm getting is a pitch behind the batter and he backs out instead of in (not "allowing" the pitch to hit him). So say there is no count on the exact same sitch. Is it HBP or a dead ball ball?

[johnnyg08]

If he's bailing on a pitch and gets hit it's what? A dead ball ball? i'm not doubting anyone but myself, but the mental image I'm getting is a pitch behind the batter and he backs out instead of in (not "allowing" the pitch to hit him). So say there is no count on the exact same sitch. Is it HBP or a dead ball ball?

 

 

HBP, like any other rule set.  If I understand your post correctly.

[jjskitours]

This just doesn't make sense to me. Batter freezes outside the batter's box. Hard to picture, but if he's attempting to get away from a bad pitch, how could it not be HBP.

NF - if batter stepped outside of the box before the pitch, it's an automatic strike, regardless of where the pitch is. Not sure about NCAA. Always a dead ball when it hits the batter.

[grayhawk]

I don't know jack about NCAA rules, but accordiing to the Jim Evans video that was posted the other day, #1 would be "B" in OBR.  Wait until it hits the ground and then call out the following runner.  If it's caught, then the passing is ignored.

 

Looking at the 2011 BRD, NCAA is the same as OBR 7.08h, so I would answer B for NCAA as well.

[Haid D' Salaami]

how can a BR be out for passing if the ball is caught?..once the ball drops then you call out the BR..

[Haid D' Salaami]

This just doesn't make sense to me. Batter freezes outside the batter's box. Hard to picture, but if he's attempting to get away from a bad pitch, how could it not be HBP.

NF - if batter stepped outside of the box before the pitch, it's an automatic strike, regardless of where the pitch is. Not sure about NCAA. Always a dead ball when it hits the batter.

If the batter is hit with a pitch that is inside the lines of the batter's box, and he freeze's.. he s awarded 1st... if he is outside ( meaning his arm, elbow is hanging over ) and is hit with the ball , the Umpire is to judge weather the pitched ball is a ball or strike.

[Haid D' Salaami]

#5 in the op is "A"

[Thunderheads]

#5 in the op is "A"

Ok, I can see "A", but ...why is R1 out, ....on the fact that he could have been thrown out if there hadn't been INT?

[Haid D' Salaami]

Because there could have been a play on r1, of course we wont know cause the knucklehead from the Offense kicked the ball...

[Thunderheads]

Because there could have been a play on r1, of course we wont know cause the knucklehead from the Offense kicked the ball...

Yup, ok, that's what I was thinking, just wanted to make sure,...........thanks!

[zm1283]

how can a BR be out for passing if the ball is caught?..once the ball drops then you call out the BR..

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I probably missed that one then.  

 

My umpiring career is still relatively short, so someone please explain that one to me.  Isn't the BR out for passing immediately when he passes the preceding runner no matter what else happens?  Would you just acknowledge that he passed R1 and then wait to see if the ball is caught or not and then call him out if the ball isn't caught?  

[noumpere]

how can a BR be out for passing if the ball is caught?..once the ball drops then you call out the BR..

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I probably missed that one then.  

 

My umpiring career is still relatively short, so someone please explain that one to me.  Isn't the BR out for passing immediately when he passes the preceding runner no matter what else happens?  Would you just acknowledge that he passed R1 and then wait to see if the ball is caught or not and then call him out if the ball isn't caught?  

It can make a difference.  suppose R1, R3, two outs.  Fly ball, but R1 forgets how many outs.  then R3 touches the plate, BR passes R1, ball is caught.

 

If the out is immediate then the run scores (time play).  If the out is only if the ball is dropped, then the run doesnt score (BR out before reaching first).

[jjskitours]

The BR is out immediately upon passing R1 ©. In OP it doesn't say how many outs, but if there had been less than 2 outs, ball is still live. 

[johnnyg08]

This just doesn't make sense to me. Batter freezes outside the batter's box. Hard to picture, but if he's attempting to get away from a bad pitch, how could it not be HBP. NF - if batter stepped outside of the box before the pitch, it's an automatic strike, regardless of where the pitch is. Not sure about NCAA. Always a dead ball when it hits the batter.

Not always a strike in obr and ncaa

[Replacematt]

 

how can a BR be out for passing if the ball is caught?..once the ball drops then you call out the BR..

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I probably missed that one then.  

 

My umpiring career is still relatively short, so someone please explain that one to me.  Isn't the BR out for passing immediately when he passes the preceding runner no matter what else happens?  Would you just acknowledge that he passed R1 and then wait to see if the ball is caught or not and then call him out if the ball isn't caught?  

It can make a difference.  suppose R1, R3, two outs.  Fly ball, but R1 forgets how many outs.  then R3 touches the plate, BR passes R1, ball is caught.

 

If the out is immediate then the run scores (time play).  If the out is only if the ball is dropped, then the run doesnt score (BR out before reaching first).

 

This is the exact example I would have used. Plus, a crafty offense could have it set up as a play without this interpretation...

[Haid D' Salaami]

It is an immediate out when a batter or runner passes someone, you  ( the umpire point at the passing runner and announce " that's passing" ) then after the play call him out... in the last play that noumpere said the r1 is not out.. the br was retired on the fly ball..

 

But the ball is left in play, runners can still advance on the play..

[Haid D' Salaami]

 

how can a BR be out for passing if the ball is caught?..once the ball drops then you call out the BR..

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I probably missed that one then.  

 

My umpiring career is still relatively short, so someone please explain that one to me.  Isn't the BR out for passing immediately when he passes the preceding runner no matter what else happens?  Would you just acknowledge that he passed R1 and then wait to see if the ball is caught or not and then call him out if the ball isn't caught?  

It can make a difference.  suppose R1, R3, two outs.  Fly ball, but R1 forgets how many outs.  then R3 touches the plate, BR passes R1, ball is caught.

 

If the out is immediate then the run scores (time play).  If the out is only if the ball is dropped, then the run doesnt score (BR out before reaching first).

Passing a runner is ALWAYS a time play and the batter should have already ( to be called out for passing ) reached 1st