juicing

[dumbdumb]

The older gentleman who told me this, went to the umpire school in the 70's and said it (the sign with Rule 21(a-g) was posted in each teams clubhouse, so this would include time as both a player and manager. He did not mention anything about it being posted at the end of the tunnel just before the steps to the dugout.

[Jocko]

So, I guess they need to post Do Not steal, murder, use drugs, rape, cheat, lie, etc. rules on every tunnel so the players will know they are accountable for their actions :shakehead:

[Umpire in Chief]

Well we will see in just a few hours. 

[BalkHawk]

     Personally, I reserve my judgement on this topic. I can think of compelling arguments for each side, and though some would make this a black and white issue, I think the answers (as usual) lie in the grey area.

     I think we all (umpires especially) can see the argument for the "they are cheaters" side. So let me play devil's advocate: my question is where exactly is the line drawn. Obviously, the DH shooting up in the clubhouse between at bats is over the line, but what about steroids prescribed by a doctor to recover from surgery? I don't know the details of Pettitte's case but it sounds similar.  My childhood friend stood a foot taller than his whole family and we all figured this was due to the steroids he was given as an infant to overcome underdeveloped lungs. What if he had become a great pitcher? More to the point: how do we distinguish between the amphetamines that surely all the greats from that bygone era took to overcome chronic hang-overs and pack(s)-a-day habits, the HGH and steroids, the array of supplements and vitamins available, and even caffeine? The real Jocko Conlan never even knew what 5 hour energy was but I bet he may be a loyal customer in this day and age. They say "Red Bull gives you wings" and I have personally witnessed it in minor league clubhouses (that I broke into). Gatorade was famously invented to allow athletes to perform better, longer. Should it have been banned? Carrots are scientifically know to improve eyesight. While I'm asking questions with no answers, what about Toradol and pain killers. Would you lock Brett Favre out of the NFL HOF (you would if you were a commie)? 

[dumbdumb]

Latest on the juicers---just like Armstrong, they did nothing, nothing. Oh, and if they "accidentally", "unknowingly" did juice, they just did it once and never did it again, and reported the person who tried to get them in trouble by juicing them without their consent.

 

 

New article about the juicers

 

http://www.miaminewt...est-names/full/

 

These guys need to show the honor and respect for their sports (the game) by stepping forward and telling, in detail, exactly how they are juicing and how they are getting away with it, down to the minute details. They need to expose anyone and any organization that is helping them out. If officials with these organizations saw what was happening and just turned their heads, it needs to be reported by the juicers. Get all the info on the table. Then, they need to expose the best way to make it virtually impossible to juice without getting caught. Someone who rubs on the "cream" just one time or takes a "cocktail" just once and gets away with it, is not going to help anyone out, with achieving continuous performance enhancement.

 

Once again they need to get both the providers (Victor Conte et al.) and receivers (athletes) to talk about how it is done, and how they are getting away with it, and just blow the lids off the whole system by showing and telling how they did/do it and continue to do it (once again in minute detail), and get to a system that everyone can be proud of, to say that juicing that can even come close to providing an advantage, has been eradicated. Once again, one application of the "cream" that is somehow not caught just one time is not going to make a difference in performance, but the knowledge that another application will definitely be caught each and every time will help bring honor and respect back to the game and athletics. If everyone could care less, then just call the League, MLB Juicers, the best baseball juicers money can buy. Is is live or is it Juiced. Monday night Juicers League, etc. etc.

 

Actually, here is a way that Conte said Armstrong was getting away with it. We need more like this.

So in other words, the USADA took cost over proving the game was clean. So what should we think of the USADA now?

 

Conte also was previously alarmed by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency
report against Armstrong that revealed how he employed lookouts for
testers, hid from them and took fast-clearing synthetic testosterone
with olive oil to produce clean tests.

By deduction, Conte said, that shows testers did not often enough
employ the Carbon Isotope Ratio test that can detect synthetic
testosterone use for up to two weeks.

USADA previously has said they employ the CIR test at times, "but are reluctant to make it the test of choice due to its expense".

“Lance could’ve used at night during the Tour, and by 3 or 4 a.m.,
he’s back to normal levels for the tests they used,†Conte said. “I
believe this exposed the ineptness of USADA testing, especially since
they tested Lance 250 times during his career.

“If they would’ve tested him the right way, he might not have won seven times, and history would’ve been different.â€

Asked why he thinks Armstrong came forward now, Conte said, “He has no other choice. Nobody believed him. The game’s over.â€

 

oh yes, in another article about HGH-Over prolonged use, joints, tendons, ligaments and muscles can
deteriorate, causing an ironic lack of strength in the aging hGH
athlete.  (McGwire's knees????, Rodriguez's hip????)

[Jocko]

Guess who

http://mlb.com/news/article/2013012941237164/

[Rich Ives]

dumbdumb, was that rule posted when Rose walked through the tunnel every night? I doubt it.

 

 

I'll take that bet.  The no betting rules started right after the Black Sox when the participants were, guess what, banned for life.

[johnnyg08]

The rat is right

[Sayhey]

I was at Cadlestick Park when Barry stole base #400. I was in row 10 behind home plate when he broke Henry Aaron's record. A combination of speed and power. Barry also broke Ruth's record for walks. Barry would not swing at a pitch out of the strike zone. He constantly was ahead in the count. He played a good left field.Barry would take batting practice without a bat to sharpen his hitting eye. When you can prove all the current H.O.F. members are Boy Scouts you can keep Mr.Bonds out. Ty Cobb was a miserable human and he got in on the first ballot. The night in San Francisco that Barry broke Henry's record he did it on A.B. # 3. In A.B. #1 he ripped a double that was hit extremely hard. A line drive. In A.B. # 2 he ripped a single even harder. Line drive. In A.B. # 3 with John Hirshbeck behind the plate, he worked the count to 3-2 in typical Barry Bonds fashion. A patient hitter. As soon as he touched the 3-2 pitch everyone knew it was a homer. He hit it out to the biggest part of the ballpark.

Steroids have nothing to do with breaking all time walk records and on base percentage records. He was an extremely disciplined hitter. The yard in S.F. is not a hitter's park but he overcame that as he did at Candlestick. I am not the president of the Bonds fan club. He could be an ass. He grew up with an absentee father who drank a lot. He also saw the press hammer his father Bobby and he grew up distrusting the press. Judge him harshly if you must but you can not deny he was one of the greatest players ever, no matter how much he weighed.

[bam]

dumbdumb, was that rule posted when Rose walked through the tunnel every night? I doubt it.

 

That is posted in every home, visiting and umpire's dressing room in ever professional ballpark. 

 

Olney represents everything that is wrong with baseball.  He's in bed with everyone - players, management and agents.  He is, by any definition, a whore. 

 

Give me the old days where players sharpened their spikes and waited for umpires in the back alley.  Wait.  What?