Umpire Diplomacy

[mstaylor]

Would

" I did my job; now you do yours."

suffice? I was taught this a few years ago as a way of responding to questions in situations like this...

Sounds too much like a know it all. I prefer to tell them to right the bases correctly or ask your coach. If the coach asks give him nothing.

[cookie]

Would

" I did my job; now you do yours."

suffice? I was taught this a few years ago as a way of responding to questions in situations like this...

Sounds too much like a know it all. I prefer to tell them to right the bases correctly or ask your coach. If the coach asks give him nothing.

I did my job; now do yours...

"Over the top"

"Know it all"

Probably so, though I've never had the occasion to say it. Actually, it was taught to us by a noted PBUC instructor who was doing a clinic for our association a few years back. He was referring to a coach who was demanding an "out" for a missed base, completely unaware of the proper appeal procedure at first base. I think in this instance - the OP - an "Ask your coach" is more in order. Thanks for the pointer, men...

[mstaylor]

I think if a coach is asking for an out for a missed base with no appeal, I would confirm what he is asking, tell him OK and go to your position. Let him figure out what to do next. Obviously the ball is dead so he has to at least get it back live to do anything.

[th3]

"couldn't hurt"

[th3]

question - when the DC is heading out for his 4th charged conference, do you ever ask him "are you changing pitchers" before he makes the trip?

[UmpTTS43]

question - when the DC is heading out for his 4th charged conference, do you ever ask him "are you changing pitchers" before he makes the trip?

I meet him at the mound and ask who is coming in to pitch.

[mstaylor]

I tell him on each visit how many he has left so I know that he knows he has to make a change.

[jkumpire]

Original Question:

F. "Are you serious?' to R1, then move to position.

[kcfan102]

"You don't have to do anything."

[bpate]

Interesting. Have any of you all ever called someone out for something like this? i.e. award 3rd and then call them out after the fact on appeal of 1st or 2nd.

[yawetag]

Interesting. Have any of you all ever called someone out for something like this? i.e. award 3rd and then call them out after the fact on appeal of 1st or 2nd.

Called out? Nope. I have seen BR miss 1B, round 2B, then the ball thrown OOP. I awarded him home, but defense didn't appeal the miss.

Now that I think about it, what should an umpire do in this situation? Allow the runner to correct his mistake, still award him the original base, and then uphold the appeal? Tell the runner he can't return?

[Jeff C.]

I tell him on each visit how many he has left so I know that he knows he has to make a change.

+1. Me too.

[Mr Umpire]

Interesting. Have any of you all ever called someone out for something like this? i.e. award 3rd and then call them out after the fact on appeal of 1st or 2nd.

Called out? Nope. I have seen BR miss 1B, round 2B, then the ball thrown OOP. I awarded him home, but defense didn't appeal the miss.

Now that I think about it, what should an umpire do in this situation? Allow the runner to correct his mistake, still award him the original base, and then uphold the appeal? Tell the runner he can't return?

In FED, he cannot correct the mistake and his award is HP. Then, if properly appealed, he is out. I would allow him to do it though it won't be recognized. By not doing so, tips the defense that he didn't and they can appeal.

In OBR, the award is 2 bases from his last legally touched base. If the runner wants to correct it, then the award is 2 bases from 1B. So, he gets 3B. The reason is b/c 2B is no longer his last legally touched base, he undid that. If he doesn't, the award is HP and uphold any legal appeal. I think NCAA is the same but not sure. This is if he touched 2B before the ball went OOP. If he does it after the ball goes OOP, he cannot legally retouch 1B and is out on proper appeal.

[dave0mary]

High school level and above. R1 on 1st with less than 2 outs. BR2 hits a line drive to F4 which is caught. R1 is off the bag too far and knows he is dead meat so he just stands in the base line. When F4 throws to F3 to double up R1 the ball sails over F3's head and goes into DBT. You point to R1 and say, "You 3rd base!". R1 looks at you and asks "Do I have to go touch 1st base?". Of course, you know he needs to tag up, but do you:

A. Tell the runner yes

B. Tell the runner you don't know or shrug your shoulders

C. Just stare at him like you don't know what he is talking about and hope he takes the hint.

D. Wish he did not ask you that question because if he goes to 3rd without tagging up the OC will start a ruckus when you call the runner out upon proper appeal because you told him to go to 3rd base.

I work HS and JUCO 50 M. radius of Chicago. I GUARANTEE that if you say yes ("A"), you WILL hear from the other coach. This happened to me a few years back; and I disticntly remember saying "dead ball (hands up), you are awarded 3rd base". If he doesn't know the definition of an award, too bad. I'm not an instructor.

[Mr Umpire]

I work HS and JUCO 50 M. radius of Chicago. I GUARANTEE that if you say yes ("A"), you WILL hear from the other coach. This happened to me a few years back; and I disticntly remember saying "dead ball (hands up), you are awarded 3rd base". If he doesn't know the definition of an award, too bad. I'm not an instructor.

I hope you have changed from "dead ball" to "Time".