Fed Slide Rule

[ukce1861]

16U, Fed Rules. R1, 1 Out. Batter hits a ball to F4, who flips to F6 who is standing on the bag and gets the out on R1. As F6 is throwing to first, R1 slides into the bag making contact with F6 as he throws to F3 for the double play. Throw goes wild, since F6 is now cartwheeling through the air. I, as PU, call the inteference. Looking at it now, it appears it was the wrong call. What do you have? Also, I'd be interested in what this call would be in OBR, LL and NCAA - if it would be different. Just to clarify, there was no other interference on this play (i.e. runner was in the baseline, leg was below the knee, etc.). I called the interference solely because he made contact with F6 on the bag.

[yawetag]

As long as the runner didn't go outside the baseline or past the bag to make contact, then it's allowed (assuming the slide wasn't rolling, pop up, or had the cleat above the knee).

[ukce1861]

As long as the runner didn't go outside the baseline or past the bag to make contact, then it's allowed (assuming the slide wasn't rolling, pop up, or had the cleat above the knee).

Just to clarify, even if he goes beyond the bag on the slide, as long as the contact is on the bag, it's legal, right?

[mstaylor]

Andrew has it. As long as the contact is in line with the bag before the bag or on top of the bag he is good. It is the same or less anywhere else.

[noumpere]

As long as the runner didn't go outside the baseline or past the bag to make contact, then it's allowed (assuming the slide wasn't rolling, pop up, or had the cleat above the knee).

Just to clarify, even if he goes beyond the bag on the slide, as long as the contact is on the bag, it's legal, right?

Thats right in HS ball and in college the runner can go past the base and still make contact and its legal.

[mstaylor]

As long as the runner didn't go outside the baseline or past the bag to make contact, then it's allowed (assuming the slide wasn't rolling, pop up, or had the cleat above the knee).

Just to clarify, even if he goes beyond the bag on the slide, as long as the contact is on the bag, it's legal, right?

Thats right in HS ball and in college the runner can go past the base and still make contact and its legal.

Be careful how you say that. He can make contact before or on the bag and have it take him by the bag. He can't go beyond the bag and make contact. A subtle but important difference.

[UmpJM]

Under FED rules, the initial contact must be on/before the bag.

Under NCAA rules, the initial contact may be "beyond" the bag as long as the runner is "in-line" with the 1B-2B line.

JM

[noumpere]

As long as the runner didn't go outside the baseline or past the bag to make contact, then it's allowed (assuming the slide wasn't rolling, pop up, or had the cleat above the knee).

Just to clarify, even if he goes beyond the bag on the slide, as long as the contact is on the bag, it's legal, right?

Thats right in HS ball and in college the runner can go past the base and still make contact and its legal.

Be careful how you say that. He can make contact before or on the bag and have it take him by the bag. He can't go beyond the bag and make contact. A subtle but important difference.

I stand by what I said and as supported by UmpJM. I dont write as pretty as most of you because I didnt speak alot of english when I was young but I do have a pretty good knowledge of the rules and the rest of the game.

[PeteBooth]

I stand by what I said and as supported by UmpJM. I dont write as pretty as most of you because I didnt speak alot of english when I was young but I do have a pretty good knowledge of the rules and the rest of the game.

Here is what you said

Thats right in HS ball and in college the runner can go past the base and still make contact and its legal.

Your statement is incorrect for FED.

In HS if the runner slides past the base and makes contact it is a violation of the FPSR.

In College the runner may slide past the base and make contact provided the contact does not alter the play.

In addition, the poster asked about OBR / LL

In OBR/LL as long as the runner can touch the base with their hand the slide is legal. In a nustshell there are no sliding restrictions in LL or OBR as there is in NCAA/FED.

Pete Booth

[UmpTTS43]

In College the runner may slide past the base and make contact provided the contact does not alter the play.

Pete Booth

That is incorrect. As long as the slide is legal contact beyond the base is legal whether it alters the play or not.

[yawetag]

I took the original image from NCAA's rule book, then added the red section.

[mstaylor]

I took the original image from NCAA's rule book, then added the red section.

Nice diagram.

[noumpere]

I stand by what I said and as supported by UmpJM. I dont write as pretty as most of you because I didnt speak alot of english when I was young but I do have a pretty good knowledge of the rules and the rest of the game.

Here is what you said

Thats right in HS ball and in college the runner can go past the base and still make contact and its legal.

Your statement is incorrect for FED.

In HS if the runner slides past the base and makes contact it is a violation of the FPSR.

In College the runner may slide past the base and make contact provided the contact does not alter the play.

In addition, the poster asked about OBR / LL

In OBR/LL as long as the runner can touch the base with their hand the slide is legal. In a nustshell there are no sliding restrictions in LL or OBR as there is in NCAA/FED.

Pete Booth

I think I see the problem and its caused by my poor writing.

I meant that the statement that was made was correct for HS ball. Period. Then I had an additional statement that the rule was different in college ball. I put the two thoughts together and it could be read that in HS ball and in college the runner can go past the base etc. Thats not what I meant.

The diagram explains it nice.

[andrew6586]

Ok, I am very confused by the rule now. In high school, can the sliding runner make contact with the fielder when attempting to make a throw? Also, if after the shortstop steps on second, the runner going to second has to get out of the way correct? If the runner just keeps running and the ball hits the runner, isn't it a dead ball and the batter is out?

[noumpere]

Ok, I am very confused by the rule now. In high school, can the sliding runner make contact with the fielder when attempting to make a throw? Also, if after the shortstop steps on second, the runner going to second has to get out of the way correct? If the runner just keeps running and the ball hits the runner, isn't it a dead ball and the batter is out?

In HS the sliding runner can make contact as long as the contact is before the base or ontop of the base and the rest of the slide is legal.

Out here we have made several requests for the NFHS to clarify your second question but the only case they have deals with a runner who is less than halfway to second or something like that. I would of gotten the outs in your second play but other respected umpires wouldnt so thats why we asked and with no answer I guess the play will be called differently.

[andrew6586]

Thank you very much.

Ok, I am very confused by the rule now. In high school, can the sliding runner make contact with the fielder when attempting to make a throw? Also, if after the shortstop steps on second, the runner going to second has to get out of the way correct? If the runner just keeps running and the ball hits the runner, isn't it a dead ball and the batter is out?

In HS the sliding runner can make contact as long as the contact is before the base or ontop of the base and the rest of the slide is legal.

Out here we have made several requests for the NFHS to clarify your second question but the only case they have deals with a runner who is less than halfway to second or something like that. I would of gotten the outs in your second play but other respected umpires wouldnt so thats why we asked and with no answer I guess the play will be called differently.

[zm1283]

I had a play in a high school (FED) game this spring that I had not seen before. I was on the bases.

R1, less than two outs. Ground ball to F6, who throws to F4 for the force out at second. F4 turns to complete the back end of the double play at first and I notice that there is no R1 sliding into second. As I turn with the throw, it realize it hits someone near first base. That someone happened to be R1, who had only gone about three steps toward second base, but had moved completely out of the baseline between first and second base (Toward right field). I give the "That's nothing" signal as the BR passes first base. The defense wanted INT but I really didn't know what R1 did to interfere. They threw it at him and he wasn't in the way.

[Umpy]

There's a "that's nothing" signal?

[Rich Ives]

There's a "that's nothing" signal?

Same as "safe" usually.

[yawetag]

There's a "that's nothing" signal?

Same as "safe" usually.

With a "that's nothing" verbal.

[TNCoach]

To go along with the diagram, that is not to say the field cannot be slid into in that area, correct? Say the fielder slides wide of the bag (not rolling), but at a point where their hand can reach out and touch 2nd.

[yawetag]

To go along with the diagram, that is not to say the field cannot be slid into in that area, correct? Say the fielder slides wide of the bag (not rolling), but at a point where their hand can reach out and touch 2nd.

Did you mean:

To go along with the diagram, that is not to say the field cannot be slid into in that area, correct? Say the runner slides wide of the bag (not rolling), but at a point where their hand can reach out and touch 2nd.

If so, not in Fed. They have to slide toward the base and can't make ANY contact in the shaded area. I can't speak for NCAA, but I think it's the same. In OBR, you're correct.

[catsbackr]

To go along with the diagram, that is not to say the field cannot be slid into in that area, correct? Say the fielder slides wide of the bag (not rolling), but at a point where their hand can reach out and touch 2nd.

In HS or college, absolutely not!