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I understand that we're scowering our heads to find the proper rule interpretation for this situation, but we must remember who's at fault -- the PU. At the plate meeting he must inspect the lineups, especially when a team uses the DH. They are not batting out of order, the lineup is incomplete and incorrect. Fix the problem and continue. Hopefully the PU will use this as a learning experience and never make this mistake again. Here is a citing from JR regarding lineups and the plate meeting: The plate umpire must ascertain that the original cards have no obvious, inadvertent errors. For example, a batting order lists two DH's, or a pitcher and a DH, or the same player twice, or different players with the same surname but no distinguishing initial. If an error is noticed after the declaration of "play", the mistake is usually self-correcting.

I know I'm terribly late in posting for this situation, but early on in the postings the JEA situation was noted. I'm sitting with the 2007 Evans Diamond Challange and the exact situation has a completely opposite ruling. My book reads: 7.09(j) The catcher has the right of way to field the ball. Unless the catcher intentionally obstructs, the ball is dead and the batter-runner is out for interfernce.

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More specific. Do you want one where the runner missed home plate well ahead of the third out, or right as the third out's made? Are you wanting the mechanics for scoring/not scoring the run or the 4th out appeal? I want a mechanic for what to do in a "4th out" situation. Specifically, the original "4th out" situation in this topic. I am aware of what to do if the defense properly appeals a "4th out". My issue is whether we tip off the defense (by announcing "Run Scores!") or not. I have found several time play situations in JR's 100 Problems Manual (ie: Runner returning to touch home after missing it as the 3rd out occurs). But I cannot find anything regarding mechanics.

So I see that there's a lot of conflicting opinions. Does anyone have any manual situation or resource regarding a "4th out" appeal like this one? I searched through my Evans and Wendelstedt books and found nothing. JR has the play and correct ruling but no mechanic tips.

Had one in a college game this season.

The following is a situation taken from JR. EG: R1, R3, one out, home team at bat, fifth inning. Squeeze play; runners stealing on the pitch. The batter attempts to bunt over the head of the charging first baseman. He pops the ball over the first baseman's head, but the pitcher makes a spectacular catch (taking attention away from R3). R3 touches home as the catch is made. He sees that R1 will be out easily, and he proceeds quietly to his dugout. The pitcher tosses the ball to first base for an easy retouch appeal, and R1 is the third out. The pitcher's trainer and manager sprint onto the field to check their pitcher for injury. A normal change of half-innings ensues; no one, including the plate umpire, deals with R3's failure to retouch or his run (which obviously scored before the third out - a time play). After nine innings, the scoreboard says the score is 2-2, and the visiting team eventually wins by an apparent score of 4-2 after 12 innings. In their locker room after the game, the umpires discuss the fifth inning double play, and realize that the run scored. They must inform the official scorer and the two managers that the home team won the game in eight-and-a-half innings by a score of 3-2. My question is -- What does PU do in this situation? Does he announce "Run Scores, Run Scores!" as he would do on a regular "close" time play? Or not make any mention of it until the defence can no longer appeal, and then announce it? Help, this kept me up last night!

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Got mine last night.

Ordered mine on Thursday.

Any mention of a previous call from another game is automatic. Good dump.

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Correction, up here in Canada we wear charcoal for baseball. In BC heather is only mandated for Provincials and Nationals. I'd only assume the other provinces work the same way. As long as you match your partner, you can wear whatever you want.

Where does the first batter of the inning need to be when warming up? I was working a Legion U19 doubleheader on the weekend. In my plate game I noticed the first batter of the inning (for the home team only) was creeping towards the plate to better time the pitcher. Before the first inning he was just outside the dirt circle and the leadoff hitter in the second inning tried to warm up in the circle. I immediatly shut it down and restricted them to the on-deck circle until we were ready. The HC didn't notice my actions in the first inning but immediatly came out to argue when he saw it happen before the start of the second. He insisted that they could be wherever they wanted. I told him the lead off batter was under the same stipulations as all on-deck hitters and had to stay in the on-deck circle. When I spoke with my partner after the game he told me they do it all the time and it had never been an issue. Now that I'm at home I can't find any literature on where the first batter of the inning can be. Did I get it right? Is he under the same rules as any on-deck hitter?

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Heel- toe for me. I've experimented with the GD and scissors but feel most comfortable with the HT.

Yep. I noticed a huge weight difference after adding All Star pads for this season.

R2 only or R1 & R2 Pitcher spins on his pivot foot planing a pick off attempt to 2nd base. During his spin he loses his balance. Due to the loss of balance, his free foot ends up just clearing the back of the rubber (pointing towards the F5 position). Any balk here? Are we OK as long as his free foot lands on the second base side of the rubber? Does his free foot even have to clear the rubber? I had this situation on the weekend and didn't balk the pitcher. The HC wanted a balk. My defence was that you don't have to throw to second or third and the pitcher landed on the 2nd base side of the rubber with his free foot. I'm not too sure if my logic is sound, so....Help!

No, you didn't over officiate. You had not put the ball back into play yet. You even tried to kill it before the batter had swung. No pitch, period. Think of it this way, if you let the play stand (and assuming the HC was on the ball) what would the HC have done? The play would likely have been protestable. One thing I would recommend is to shut this down earlier. As soon as you see F1 ready to pitch and the possibility of an early pitch, hold up your hand and say, "Hold on Pitcher. Hold on!" You can even step to the side (opposite the batter) when doing this.

When I bought my NB base and plate shoes, I went to a local NB supplier. They sized me and ordered both pairs in. I paid a little more than online but that way I was sure.

Let them have the last word. By letting them get in the last word, they think they've won the argument. If they think they've won the argument, they'll leave and likely leave the situation be. There is no upside (as an umpire) to insist on having the last word.

Good call. Did you give a safe sign when the tag was applied, just to show you had nothing? I would also verbalize, "NO TAG, EMPTY GLOVE!" along with the safe signal. This sells the call and removes all doubt.

I know it's not FED but, Baseball Canada defines it as follows: Contact shall be considered malicious if: the contact is the result of intentional excessive force, and/or there is intent to injure.

Do you guys use the slide or avoid rule? The Baseball Canada Slide or Avoid Rule states (in short) that all runners must slide or avoid contact at every base (including home). So, our guideline is --- if there's contact, he'd better be sliding. All contact on legal slides is OK and all malicious contact is ejectable. Baseball Canada uses the slide or avoid rule from Mosquito (11U) all the way up to the Senior division (Open age mens).

I like the "tapping your chest" mechanic and I'll even vocalize it if I think there may be confusion --- "I've got the call Mike!"