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Maybe the guy who assigns you doesn't think he needs to tell you this because he thinks all trained umpires have been exposed to this mechanic. It's not like it happens often enough to note it being or not being done.

In that sit F1 and the rest of ump crew might not have realized U1 called time. It was quick and not that emphatic. We don't know if time was called due to a possibly injured R1 or a dirty ball. Normally F3 would throw the ball to the dugout and F1 would get one from the PU.

Do you, @SeeingEyeDog, @The Man in Blue think this is a technique and mechanic that shouldn't be taught at pro school anymore because? I know, the amateur liability issue, a red herring, but you can always link some lawsuit to back up your fear. But also, done properly, you need to be still athletic. So if you refrain no one should chastise you if you don't extend the courtesy.

That's the technique but did they teach that it's not your job, it's a courtesy we extend if NAP.

This is what the LL umpire apologists are spouting on the CCS Youtube. Unfortunately, Lindsey waffled on what the call should be, which is INT>

You can't misunderstand that. You just don't know it, as many here in posts have shown.

So did they judge badly about F4 or not know how to apply the through or by exception? We have had some experienced umps post here about runners hit by batted balls that had no clue how the rule should be enforced. I can't tell if the crew got together and the coaches accepted what they were selling so there was no actual protest and we don't know how LL would have ruled.

So the clinics/training you and @SeeingEyeDog have attended do not cover this anymore?

Nobody tells us to clear bats. We do it as a courtesy. Was this not ever covered in any clinic/training you had?

The reason being? Physical? Philosophical?

I don't know if Evan's philosophy/technique has not been passed on but you should explain it to such a coach as opposed to your take. It is not the umpires job to clear the bat. Good catchers usually accomplish that unless circumstances do not permit. If the catcher can't clear it the umpire can extend the courtesy of clearing it if "Necessary, Available, and Possible". The umpire should not abandon his responsibilities, such as base touches, to do this. The optimum method has the ump go to one knee beside the bat which keeps his torso up and head still looking where it needs to. The bat is slid, not thrown, out of the way. If your quads and limberness no longer allow that method I have seen kicks done well. A quick bend over also works if you can do it without missing your responsibility. When you do that sometimes it's best to keep it as opposed to throwing it somewhere.

He also included "job" which only the unschooled morons he's making fun of would use. It's a courtesy we extend when NAP.

I think Miller's explanation makes it clear they have reverted to the J-R interp. I know in the recent past MLB umps were pointing it. Do we think reimplementing the J-R interp was due to the pitch clock? This crew did negate their dead ball balk as opposed to the OP crew.

My rant is in the comments. @MadMax will be along to rationalize this one:

USAF 68 - 73. Opinion and question: National Anthem with one of you, we both salute. I do the hand over heart with a partner/s who is not a Vet. What say you?

That wouldn't work in MLB but how about if you hit someone you take the DH spot for one at bat and the DH can reenter.

Just continue this thread. Salute to the Veterans - Ask the Umpire - Umpire-Empire

It actually was when the pitcher took the rubber with the ball for some time in the 80s/90s. I noticed some change, circa 2010-2015, with some MLB umps being consistent about pointing (never a verbal) while some still relied on the J-R interp and did not point. I haven't paid much attention lately but in my amateur status when I'm BU if there is no point by my PU I have it live with the pitcher on the rubber. What I do not understand is the hand up before pointing. The ball is already dead. What does the hand up mean? Wait till I point? Which happens right after I put my hand up. F1 on the rubber, point it live fast. As OBR requires: "After the ball is dead, play shall be resumed when the pitcher takes his place on the pitcher’s plate with a new ball or the same ball in his possession and the plate umpire calls “Play.” The plate umpire shall call “Play” as soon as the pitcher takes his place on his plate with the ball in his possession."

The pitch clock is run by the Field Timing Coordinator and I can't find any reference to starting the clock when the pitcher takes the rubber. I only see them starting when the pitcher gets the ball, allowing for certain delays. When Jaska-Roder was authoritative they did specify the ball being live as soon as the pitcher was on the rubber with it and we saw many MLB umps never pointing. Things changed and for a while we saw more umps putting it in play. I haven't watched any clips recently that would show a point. Are you saying they went back to the J-R interp and no one points any more which would make sense with the pitch clock rule? I don't think you can rationalize a live ball with the pitcher on the rubber without it but no one asked for a rule check to NY so we won't know. And my post on Refmasters was a hot potato that Brennan and Malachi did not touch. @JSam21 did bring up the possibility that what we thought were "time" signals were crew signals instead.

just say no

Yes, thankfully NCAA, but you are positing about OBR/MLB interps which you should not find blame as to someone reading and seeing how it was called in the immediate aftermath of the 2024 POE. Even CCS still thinks it should have been called in this most recent occurrence. Their opinion is based on the 2024 POE which was called for some time like the MLB POE until it wasn't. We should discern what NCAA wants, easily found, with what MLB wants, not ever found.

It is/was based on the 2024 MLB authoritative POE, which CCS still uses and thinks it was not called correctly by Hanrahan. Hanrahan might have the benefit of further refinement of the 2024 POE which we do not know about. At some point/distance an unnecessary position by the fielder's anatomy with the ball coming can be OBS. MLB will soon clear that up for you and even make it reviewable. In the meantime I'd advise hard foot first slides.

Neither was this. However Lindsay never got the revised interp about the 2024 POE from MLB.

The year is irrelevant. 1-2-9 and "Suggested Double First Base Rules" have been in the book for a long time.

It's OBS but can you make a case for Type B (LL still uses letters)? Unfortunately no, F3 was already making a play on the runner.