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Maybe I should start a different topic but I'll post the question here. After looking at this and the Nats-Pirates fiasco, I'm wondering when the base running appeal rule entered the game and why. Why not treat base running mistakes like type 2 obstruction and call them when we see them after play has stopped? Or, on the other hand, why not treat type 2 obstruction as an appeal play as well? Why did the games powers that be want to differentiate this set of base running rules violations different than obstruction? I'm going to guess its because it happens too often and forces umpires to take their eyes off the ball too much to get all appealable outs.

Not to mention working one or two man at this level means you are guaranteed not to see everything! "I can't call what I don't see." It took me awhile to get comfortable with that mantra to the point I could say it to a coach when they asked about something I missed. But it sure helped me get comfortable on the field.

I didn't see the play but three possible reasons: 1. He made no attempt to avoid getting hit. 2. He was ruled to have swung at the pitch that hit him. 3. The part of the body that was hit was in the strike zone when contact was made.

If the ball is over foul territory when it is first touched between home and the base on that side of the field, it is a foul ball. Doesn't matter where the fielder's feet or body are nor does it matter how the ball got there as long as it NEVER got to the 1st or 3rd base bag.

Yeah it was. Interesting to hear the announcer say they practiced that running through 2nd on a bases loaded, 2-out, ground ball to try to get the runner from 3rd home. He speculated you might all the sudden see other teams trying that. One more thing for umpires to look for.

Excuse the anti-umpire rhetoric. This is interesting and MLB hasn't posted a video yet so I had to find it on youTube.

I was told the same thing in my training.

I would expand even at 12U or 7th grade ball when a pitcher was obviously struggling. When I did, I'd inform both coaches. Like you, nobody ever complained.

And it looks to me like he altered his throw over the runner.

How the hell do you call the runner safe?

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If I see and hear a tie, it is an out because the sound took longer to get to me than the sight. IE: the sound of the glove beat the touch on the bag. OUT!

Interesting! I am reading Umpire Bible's NFHS rules: https://umpirebible.com/fed/default.htm and then click on the link to Rule 5: https://umpirebible.com/fed/5.0.htm There is is listed as '2020 NFHS Baseball Rules'. But on the default page they have a picture of the 2022 rule book. I don't have a hard copy of the 2022 rule book so ????

Deleting - I was using bad data from the internet. Who knew there was such a thing?

You think he kicked at the runner? Looks to me like he's brushing off the bag.

Yeah. If 1B waits until he leaves the bag on his own, that would be one thing, but he 'cleans' the base with the swipe of his foot and the runner steps back to let him do it. You don't want to encourage that IMO.

Jesus christ, lighten up. I saw something in the rule book I hadn't thought through the implications of. I mention it here. You guys think I'm looking for it instead of the game in front of me. Where in the hell did you get that from what I posted? Then I try to make what is obviously a joke and you think I'm not thinking it through? WTF? I try with this place but y'all have bugs way upside your buttholes. Give it a rest.

Certainly. But my NFHS games include u10 travel ball and 7th graders, some with their first exposure to baseball. I would not be surprised if I had to call time after TOP because some fielder decided they just absolutely positively had to pee and they were fumbling with the gate latch trying not to pee their pants before getting there.

My copy of the 2022 NFHS rule book arrived yesterday so I'm giving it a read. I'll probably have more than one question but we'll start with this one. NFHS 1-1-4: At TOP, all defensive players must have at least one foot in fair territory (except the catcher). Penalty: Illegal pitch. The definition of Illegal Pitch at 2-18 says that when one occurs with men on base, it is a balk. Does this mean if the first baseman is completely in foul territory at the time of pitch (for instance) it is an NFHS dead-ball balk and NOT a ball? Hadn't thought about that as a possibility before going over the rules again (which is why we should, eh?)

So NFHS is different than OBR on this. Good to know, thanks. Does this apply at home as well? If so, I've kicked it at home several times as I have not made a call when the runner misses the plate.

So you would throw your partner under the bus for a close judgement call? To a coach?

But he didn't blow it. It was umpire judgement and he judged on it. End of story. I hope you backed him up to that coach.

Or, hey, they can pay their labor what they are worth.

Awesome advice here. Can I extend the conversation to 2-man double plays from B or C? In this situation, it's hard not to think "I gotta make a call before I turn my head to first!" - so I find myself not taking the time I do in A. How do you guys handle that?