Evaluations

[cigarmon]

The board that I'm on for my school/FED games is looking for a better way to evaluate our umpires. We are not in a position to send "senior" officials out to view games as we have so many games to cover that its generally "all hands on deck". A board I used to be on, used to have officials evaluate 5-10 partners per season. There was a form for this and the group was on board with this method. High & low scores were tossed to eliminate any biases and then an average score was given for each official. What method(s) does your group use? Thanx

[yawetag]

Evaluations?

[LMSANS]

Evaluations?

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[JaxRolo]

Have an evaluator work with the evaluee that game. He can take a clipboard hang it on the fence and between innings write down notes.

[yawetag]

Evaluations?

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I've never seen an evaluation completed on me. If they're done, it's never given to the umpires. Each year, however, the colleges have a day where high school kids come to try out. During these, we have newer umpires (within first three years) do the games with experienced umpires evaluating. That's the only time I know of a formal evaluation being completed on umpires in my association.

[spiritump]

Evaluations?

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who evaluates the evaluaters??????

[semper_fi_72]

If you want an evaluation in our HS Association you have to request one early in the season.

Only way you will move up.

You won't know when your being evaluated until after the game is over and your approached with the evaluation.

[mstaylor]

We evaluate each other on every varsity game. At the end a committee uses them for play-off assignments. Moving up ius decided by the BOD. We do go out and eval some guys. If I think they are reading to change levels I will go watch and then eval them there. Since I'm the main evaluator I guess you guys evaluate me. :)

[dumbdumb]

We evaluate each other on every varsity game. At the end a committee uses them for play-off assignments. Moving up ius decided by the BOD. We do go out and eval some guys. If I think they are reading to change levels I will go watch and then eval them there. Since I'm the main evaluator I guess you guys evaluate me.

I guess a lot are evaluated by coaches and the games they get depend upon the coaches evaluations, since not many weighed in on this subject.

[mstaylor]

We have a seperate coach's eval. We get very few and you have to balance whether it is a winning coach or a losing coach. Some just have no clue and get no weight.

[dumbdumb]

We have a seperate coach's eval. We get very few and you have to balance whether it is a winning coach or a losing coach. Some just have no clue and get no weight.

I believe this is how it "should be" MST, but what about other areas. Is it possible the coaches rule in some areas (especially the prominent coaches) and if you step on their toes by ejecting them or calling step balks against them you loose your games or at least don't get to work for these prominent coaches and programs anymore? Sad if it happens. And of course some of the assignors make some good pocket change assigning, and you wouldn't want to get on the bad-side of the coaches and have them go elsewhere for another assignor and another group. Does this come into play in some areas. In other words, do you have to let the coaches run all over you or else???

[mstaylor]

We do not allow coaches to dictate the games. There are areas of the country that don't have assocs at all and the games are assigned by the ADs. So each umpire has to lobby for games from the schools.

[LMSANS]

Evaluations?

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I've never seen an evaluation completed on me. If they're done, it's never given to the umpires. Each year, however, the colleges have a day where high school kids come to try out. During these, we have newer umpires (within first three years) do the games with experienced umpires evaluating. That's the only time I know of a formal evaluation being completed on umpires in my association.

We have no evaluations, even for cadets. You take the test (created locally) and you're good for another year. For varsity games, the schools are permitted to submit a list of up to 25 umpires, this is the basis for initial assignments.

I also found out this year there is a "quality committee" that takes anecdotal input from senior (ol' boy) members. If you're in with the seniors, you get the better games.

Every time I bring up evaluations, I get a "yeah, but they wouldn't work around here", answer.

[SnareDrum]

For HS, our "group" does not have evaluations besides being on the good-side of the group chief/assignor (also the state regional interpreter). But MO has a system where the coaches "rate" your varsity games. To qualify for post-season, you need a minimum of 30 ratings. Also, bad scores get back to the interpreter (see above why that's important).

Coaches rate from 1-5 (1 good, 5 bad) on Verbal Communication Skills, Physical Appearance, Effort, Control, Consistency, and Professionalism. They can also mark which areas you need improvement on. The scores are then averaged into quartiles for your Official's Rating. The areas needing improvement and the scores are available online to you.

As someone more or less mentioned above, a coach that had a bad game can ruin your season.

For the city, the UIC does at least one per season, and a senior umpire will also do one.

[yawetag]

For HS, our "group" does not have evaluations besides being on the good-side of the group chief/assignor (also the state regional interpreter). But MO has a system where the coaches "rate" your varsity games. To qualify for post-season, you need a minimum of 30 ratings. Also, bad scores get back to the interpreter (see above why that's important).

I didn't realize you needed 30 to qualify for state post-season. That's crazy. In my 4 Varsity games completed this year, I've received exactly ZERO ratings. ZERO. At this rate, I would never make post-season.

[mstaylor]

I did post season evals last night and we had 37% coach returns. There were also a percentage of peer evals missing also, more base than plate. The plate umpire has to do a game report every game so he is already in the right section to do the peer review. The base umpire does not so he has to make more effort to do one.

[SnareDrum]

For HS, our "group" does not have evaluations besides being on the good-side of the group chief/assignor (also the state regional interpreter). But MO has a system where the coaches "rate" your varsity games. To qualify for post-season, you need a minimum of 30 ratings. Also, bad scores get back to the interpreter (see above why that's important).

I didn't realize you needed 30 to qualify for state post-season. That's crazy. In my 4 Varsity games completed this year, I've received exactly ZERO ratings. ZERO. At this rate, I would never make post-season.

That's what we were told at our pre-season interp meeting... Crazy indeed. It gives a lot of weight to the coaches to actually turn them in (though there is some sort of slap on the wrist from MSHSAA if they let them pile up), and I've heard of angry coaches waiting until the post-season actually starts just so an official may not have enough, that is unless they trashed their ratings anyway. Of course, sometimes coaches just get busy and they forget, which would also suck. For 30 solid ratings you'd need 15 games of BOTH coaches sending them in. But to think of one angry coach out of 15 games (VERY likely) having that much power... then a couple that forget (just as likely)... As realistically short as the HS regular season is... Lots of coach power in MO.

[mstaylor]

I can see requiring a certain number of evals but 30 is a lot for a HS season. If they are going to depend on coaches then the coaches need to be required to do them. There should be a fine to the school for not doing them.

[yawetag]

I can see requiring a certain number of evals but 30 is a lot for a HS season. If they are going to depend on coaches then the coaches need to be required to do them. There should be a fine to the school for not doing them.

I believe there is a fine, but it's minimal. I have my feelings on the system, but I'm certainly not in the position to rock the boat. Suffice to say, if umpires were allowed to rate the coaches, no umpire would have trouble getting his ratings.

[dumbdumb]

For HS, our "group" does not have evaluations besides being on the good-side of the group chief/assignor (also the state regional interpreter). But MO has a system where the coaches "rate" your varsity games. To qualify for post-season, you need a minimum of 30 ratings. Also, bad scores get back to the interpreter (see above why that's important).

Coaches rate from 1-5 (1 good, 5 bad) on Verbal Communication Skills, Physical Appearance, Effort, Control, Consistency, and Professionalism. They can also mark which areas you need improvement on. The scores are then averaged into quartiles for your Official's Rating. The areas needing improvement and the scores are available online to you.

As someone more or less mentioned above, a coach that had a bad game can ruin your season.

For the city, the UIC does at least one per season, and a senior umpire will also do one.

For HS, our "group" does not have evaluations besides being on the good-side of the group chief/assignor (also the state regional interpreter). But MO has a system where the coaches "rate" your varsity games. To qualify for post-season, you need a minimum of 30 ratings. Also, bad scores get back to the interpreter (see above why that's important).

I didn't realize you needed 30 to qualify for state post-season. That's crazy. In my 4 Varsity games completed this year, I've received exactly ZERO ratings. ZERO. At this rate, I would never make post-season.

That's what we were told at our pre-season interp meeting... Crazy indeed. It gives a lot of weight to the coaches to actually turn them in (though there is some sort of slap on the wrist from MSHSAA if they let them pile up), and I've heard of angry coaches waiting until the post-season actually starts just so an official may not have enough, that is unless they trashed their ratings anyway. Of course, sometimes coaches just get busy and they forget, which would also suck. For 30 solid ratings you'd need 15 games of BOTH coaches sending them in. But to think of one angry coach out of 15 games (VERY likely) having that much power... then a couple that forget (just as likely)... As realistically short as the HS regular season is... Lots of coach power in MO.

This is what I have been afraid of.

[SnareDrum]

Forgot to add:

A 1 means state championship caliber, then scores slide down through sectionals, districts, varsity and lower. The coaches are encouraged to do the ratings while the game is still fresh in their minds.

Some local associations do eval their guys for obvious reasons, but they don't have to.