Velho Posted April 15 Report Posted April 15 Came across this on Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/Umpire/comments/1slyerj/comment/ogb0w8u/ Situation: HS. R1& R2, 1 out. Shallow fly to CF. Offense thinks there are 2 outs, sends runners. R2 scores ahead of R1 getting tagged on appeal. From the PU: "I back up to line up that tag and home plate and per the mechanics in place waited until the infielders were all off the field and then announced the run scores. You can disagree and say I should have announced it immediately, but the mechanics in place in my association were of a 4th out like that is possible to wait until the appeal is impossible before announcing the run." Does your association give explicit guidance on timing of scoring the run on this type of play? Quote
jimurrayalterego Posted April 15 Report Posted April 15 1 hour ago, Velho said: Came across this on Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/Umpire/comments/1slyerj/comment/ogb0w8u/ Situation: HS. R1& R2, 1 out. Shallow fly to CF. Offense thinks there are 2 outs, sends runners. R2 scores ahead of R1 getting tagged on appeal. From the PU: "I back up to line up that tag and home plate and per the mechanics in place waited until the infielders were all off the field and then announced the run scores. You can disagree and say I should have announced it immediately, but the mechanics in place in my association were of a 4th out like that is possible to wait until the appeal is impossible before announcing the run." Does your association give explicit guidance on timing of scoring the run on this type of play? Not heard of that. Seems to be aiding the defense. Run is probably going up on the scoreboard anyway. Quote
Velho Posted April 15 Author Report Posted April 15 1 hour ago, jimurrayalterego said: Seems to be aiding the defense. Aiding the defense? My instinct was it was hurting the defense by leaving it ambiguous if the timed run scored or not until it was too late for the defense to appeal. In OP for example, declaring that run as scoring would (maybe?) make the defense realize they should appeal that runner since he never retouched. 1 Quote
jimurrayalterego Posted April 15 Report Posted April 15 1 hour ago, Velho said: Aiding the defense? My instinct was it was hurting the defense by leaving it ambiguous if the timed run scored or not until it was too late for the defense to appeal. In OP for example, declaring that run as scoring would (maybe?) make the defense realize they should appeal that runner since he never retouched. I was thinking that standing there would telegraph that something was lacking. Just as when an umpire stands around at game end telegraphing that he is waiting for an appeal. I did have a conversation with Brennan at Refmasters and he says if an appeal might be made he will wait till the no appeal criteria is met before leaving the field. Maybe the OPs group has a point. 1 Quote
The Man in Blue Posted April 16 Report Posted April 16 10 hours ago, Velho said: Does your association give explicit guidance on timing of scoring the run on this type of play? Preferably after the annual golf outing and before the steak dinner banquet to pat themselves on the back. Beyond that, I have never head of the local association weighing in with any guidance on anything. As for a worthwhile contribution . . . The run scores until it doesn't. Signal it right away. As for waiting around, heck no. I may pause a beat to make sure I have a proper read, but once the defense seems to no longer be interested, I'm not telegraphing anything. I may keep a side-eye going as I am leaving, but we should not stand around and wait. How long are you waiting if the defense doesn't leave fair territory? They walk to the line, throw their gloves to the dugout, head out for handshakes, then go to right field to have their meeting? 1 Quote
BigBlue4u Posted April 17 Report Posted April 17 On 4/15/2026 at 9:34 AM, Velho said: From the PU: "I back up to line up that tag and home plate and per the mechanics in place waited until the infielders were all off the field and then announced the run scores. You can disagree and say I should have announced it immediately, but the mechanics in place in my association were of a 4th out like that is possible to wait until the appeal is impossible before announcing the run." I don't agree with this at all. Here's why: By signaling immediately you are, 1) Indicating to everyone that you saw what happened and 2) you have ruled on it. Don't make this type of play any more difficult by wondering what may happen. 2 Quote
The Man in Blue Posted April 17 Report Posted April 17 Building off that, it is an appeal play, not a wait-for-it play. Don't be Aaron Burr. 1 Quote
Velho Posted August 11 Author Report Posted August 11 On 4/17/2026 at 2:41 PM, BigBlue4u said: I don't agree with this at all. Here's why: By signaling immediately you are, 1) Indicating to everyone that you saw what happened and 2) you have ruled on it. Don't make this type of play any more difficult by wondering what may happen. On 4/17/2026 at 3:53 PM, The Man in Blue said: Building off that, it is an appeal play, not a wait-for-it play. 1 Quote
MadMax Posted August 13 Report Posted August 13 But but BUT! At school, we’re taught, so as to be a “good and proper umpire”, to BELLOW to the pressbox, “THAT RUN SCORES! THAT RUN SCORES! SCORE ONE RUN!!”* with BIIIIIG emphatic gestures. If you ain’t doing it big, ya ain’t doin’ it right. … according to the pros… at school… and in evaluations. So! That begs the question… Is #50 a deficient or inferior umpire because he didn’t “come up big”, and emphatically signal the scoring of that run? Hmmmm? BONUS: We need someone to clip and create a meme of #68 starting the/his explanation with, “It’s a time play.” We can post that meme on every thread misusing “timing play”. 1 Quote
jimurrayalterego Posted August 13 Report Posted August 13 48 minutes ago, MadMax said: So! That begs the question… Is #50 a deficient or inferior umpire because he didn’t “come up big”, and emphatically signal the scoring of that run? Hmmmm? No, he is inferior because he takes his rig off with his right hand😀. But he did have a brain fart and threw a new ball to the mound while F3 had the live one on fair territory and then waved off the run that scored. The timing of that wave off shouldn't have affected Toronto as they were almost off the infield. The lack of a point to HP might be argued. Also might be argued is thinking an MLB manager should be well versed in the intricacies of time plays and had plenty of time from the out at 1B to his fielders going off to appeal a fourth out. Mistakes all around that play. Quote
834k3r Posted August 13 Report Posted August 13 14 hours ago, MadMax said: BONUS: We need someone to clip and create a meme of #68 starting the/his explanation with, “It’s a time play.” We can post that meme on every thread misusing “timing play”. Quote
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