runner placement after runner int on a batted ball

[Lewis 88]

ok NFHS Rule set. Bases loaded R1 hit by batted ball second baseman  had a play on it.  

Ok Runner out batter gets first but what about the other runners.  My initial thought was R3 doesn't score, because I can't award the offensive team for their penalty.

Partner was a young kid who had no idea unfortunately.  After the batting coach and fielding coach getting together with us we decided R3 was forced to score and R2 would get 3b.Batter got 1b.

I feel in my gut  this was wrong but short of holding up the game to break out a rule book we went with that.  Fielding coach says R3 would have scored on the play anyways so he was ok with him scoring. 

Does Rule set, or the amount of runners on base or the amount of outs matter in the ruling of this.  Thanks guys for any input  

[Velho]

13 minutes ago, Lewis 88 said:

I feel in my gut  this was wrong but short of holding up the game to break out a rule book we went with that.  Fielding coach says R3 would have scored on the play anyways so he was ok with him scoring. 

Your gut was right. (Can't blame you for rolling with the flow of the game though. Now that you're 100% you can push harder next time).

All codes are the same.

OBR 6.01 PENALTY FOR INTERFERENCE:

The runner is out and the ball is dead.

If the umpire declares the batter, batter-runner, or a runner out for interference, all other runners shall return to the last base that was in the judgment of the umpire, legally touched at the time of the interference, unless otherwise provided by these rules.

In the event the batter-runner has not reached first base, all runners shall return to the base last occupied at the time of the pitch; provided, however, if during an intervening play at the plate with less than two outs a runner scores, and then the batter-runner is called out for interference outside the three- foot lane, the runner is safe and the run shall count.

[noumpere]

1 hour ago, Lewis 88 said:

Partner was a young kid who had no idea unfortunately. 

 

Pot.  Kettle.  Black.

 

41 minutes ago, Velho said:

In the event the batter-runner has not reached first base, all runners shall return to the base last occupied at the time of the pitch

That part does not apply to FED.  It's (almost) always TOI (FPSR being the main, and maybe only, exception)

 

As a practical matter, when a runner is hit by a batted ball, other runners will NOT have advanced to the next base yet, so the penalty / return is the same.

[Velho]

39 minutes ago, noumpere said:

1 hour ago, Velho said:

In the event the batter-runner has not reached first base, all runners shall return to the base last occupied at the time of the pitch

That part does not apply to FED.  It's (almost) always TOI (FPSR being the main, and maybe only, exception)

 

Thanks for adding that.

[Jimurray]

21 minutes ago, Velho said:

Thanks for adding that.

"Intervening play" also doesn't apply in FED but the result would be the same due to TOI.

[The Man in Blue]

On 6/20/2024 at 10:36 AM, Lewis 88 said:

Partner was a young kid who had no idea unfortunately.  After the batting coach and fielding coach getting together with us we decided R3 was forced to score and R2 would get 3b.Batter got 1b.

I feel in my gut  this was wrong but short of holding up the game to break out a rule book we went with that.  Fielding coach says R3 would have scored on the play anyways so he was ok with him scoring. 

You were on the right train, but you got off one stop too early.  The next question you needed to ask was "WHO forced R3?"  (And no, the answer is not R2 because R2 was not forced.  If you answered R2, then keep going . . . WHO forced R2?")

If it helps, think of it as an actual force play.  If R1 was put out on a force out at 2nd base, are R2 and R3 still forced?  (No.)

[Lewis 88]

On 6/22/2024 at 8:13 PM, The Man in Blue said:

You were on the right train, but you got off one stop too early.  The next question you needed to ask was "WHO forced R3?"  (And no, the answer is not R2 because R2 was not forced.  If you answered R2, then keep going . . . WHO forced R2?")

If it helps, think of it as an actual force play.  If R1 was put out on a force out at 2nd base, are R2 and R3 still forced?  (No.)

Yes sir that makes a lot of sense.  I had it right but unfortunately so many people were saying I had it wrong I questioned myself and over thought it and let them change my decision.  Thanks for the feedback.