Lodged ball

[Tborze]

Does 2-4-4 Exception apply to 5-1-1 g,4 ?

Catchers glove/mitt

[834k3r]

2-4-4 is for an infielder's glove. 2-13-1 defines "fielder" as "any one of the nine players of the defensive team." I would consider the glove separate from the rest of the catcher.

Example 1:  if the ball's lodged in the glove, we're good.

Example 2:  if the ball's lodged in the catcher's leg guards, dead ball.

[Tborze]

7 hours ago, 834k3r said:

2-4-4 is for an infielder's glove. 2-13-1 defines "fielder" as "any one of the nine players of the defensive team." I would consider the glove separate from the rest of the catcher.

Example 1:  if the ball's lodged in the glove, we're good.

Example 2:  if the ball's lodged in the catcher's leg guards, dead ball.

So a pitch is treated the same as a batted or thrown ball?  
Casebook doesn’t help!


 

[noumpere]

8 hours ago, Tborze said:

Does 2-4-4 Exception apply to 5-1-1 g,4 ?

Catchers glove/mitt

For those without access to (current) rules books, what does 2-4-4 say?

[Tborze]

15 hours ago, noumpere said:

For those without access to (current) rules books, what does 2-4-4 say?

2-4-4 exception 

If a ball becomes stuck in the webbing of the fielder’s glove, it remains in play. The glove/ball combination is treated as a live ball. 

[Tborze]

@maven

Can you please provide some input?

[The Man in Blue]

On 3/21/2023 at 6:24 PM, noumpere said:

For those without access to (current) rules books, what does 2-4-4 say?

Art. 4 . . . A baseball that remains on the playing field but has become wedged stuck, lost, or unreachable is defined as a lodged ball.  If the ball impacts any object in the course of play, stops abruptly, and does not fall or roll immediately, it is considered lodged.  It is a dead ball.  (5-1-1f-3,4; 5-1-1g-4).  EXCEPTION: if a ball becomes stuck in the webbing of the fielder's glove, it remains in play.  The glove/ball combination is treated as a live ball.

Case play 2.4.4 states a pitched ball that lodges in the backstop is a lodged ball.  I don't like it, but the ball lodged in the catcher's mitt seems to be no different than a ball wedged in the pitcher's glove. 

I don't like it because 8-3-3 (Baserunning Awards) does differentiate between a ball lodged in defensive equipment because of a thrown/batted ball (two bases, 8-3-3c) and a pitched ball (only one base, 8-3-3d). 

[Senor Azul]

According to FED rule 1-3-6 a catcher can use a glove or a mitt. According to FED case book play 1.3.6 Situation C, "There is not a distinction between a glove or mitt."

So when rule 2-4-4 Exception refers to a fielder's glove I would think that would also apply to the catcher (no matter what he is using).