A Walk-Off Walk Win?

[Dr. Blue]

Scenario: Game Tied 1-1, Bottom of 9th, Bases Loaded, 2-Outs. Pitcher walks the batter and the batter immediately celebrates the runner from 3rd coming home. The batter never heads towards first base and leaves the field. None of the other runners (the initial runners on first and second) touch their next base since they also went to celebrate the runner from third base touching home plate. 

 

Question: Is the game over?

[Vegas_Ump]

I think there are approved rulings that R3 must touch home AND BR must touch 1B.  Don't sweat the advance or non-advance of R2 and R1.

Failure to advance at least this far is subject to appeal for the 3rd out where no runs would score.

Mike

Las Vegas 

[Senor Azul]

OBR has a rule that covers a game-winning base on balls [Little League rule 4.09(b)].

2019 OBR rule 5.08(b)

(b) When the winning run is scored in the last half-inning of a regulation game, or in the last half of an extra inning, as the result of a base on balls, hit batter or any other play with the bases full which forces the batter and all other runners to advance without liability of being put out, the umpire shall not declare the game ended until the runner forced to advance from third has touched home base and the batter-runner has touched first base.

For FED it is spelled out in its rule 9-1-1 Note 2.

2. When the winning run is scored in the last half inning of a regulation game, or in the last half of an extra inning, as the result of a base on balls, hit batter or any other play with the bases loaded which forces the runner on third base to advance, the umpire shall not declare the game over until all runners have advanced to the next base.

The NCAA rules the same as FED.

[eagle_12]

NCAA:

Note: When the winning run is scored in the last half-inning of a regulation game, or in the last half-inning of an extra inning, as the result of a base on balls, hit batter or any other play with the bases full which forces the batter and all other runners to advance without liability of being put out, the umpire shall not declare the game ended until the runner forced to advance from third has touched home plate and the batter-runner has touched first base. An exception will be made if fans rush onto the field and physically prevent the runner from touching home plate or the batter-runner from touching first base. In such cases, the umpires shall award the runner the necessary bases with no appeal allowed

[Senor Azul]

Very good, Mr. eagle_12. You are right, of course, because the NCAA rule was changed in the 2017-2018 cycle (I think) to match the pro rule and the text you cited is found in the current rule 5-8d.

[Jimurray]

6 hours ago, Vegas_Ump said:

I think there are approved rulings that R3 must touch home AND BR must touch 1B.  Don't sweat the advance or non-advance of R2 and R1.

Failure to advance at least this far is subject to appeal for the 3rd out where no runs would score.

Mike

Las Vegas 

In OBR there is no appeal. The umpire will ask the BR to go to 1B. If he refuses put the teams back on the field for the 10th inning. While NCAA copied some of the OBR rule when they made the change it is not clear whether they want this to be appealable or handle it like OBR. 

[Recontra]

Here's the $75 question:  What are you going to do about it?

I've had this happen once. I stepped back to the point of the plate. Both teams ran out to line up and exchange "good games."

Both teams think the game is over. And that was good enough for me. As soon as I heard the first "good game!" I walked off the field with my partner.

[noumpere]

3 hours ago, Recontra said:

Here's the $75 question:  What are you going to do about it?

I've had this happen once. I stepped back to the point of the plate. Both teams ran out to line up and exchange "good games."

Both teams think the game is over. And that was good enough for me. As soon as I heard the first "good game!" I walked off the field with my partner.

Do exactly what you would do if the runners had advanced correctly.  Standing there tips off someone that something is amiss.

[Senor Azul]

From the 2016 BRD (section 33, p. 39): In an explanatory note from Carl Childress he writes—

“OBR does not provide a time frame for the advance:  Simply, you wait around until BR and R3 decide to touch the bases, when the game ends. Many umpires, myself included, would ‘remind’ the runners to advance.”

It’s not an official policy because we as umpires are not supposed to appear as if we are helping one team over the other. But we would definitely like to avoid the sh*tstorm that will certainly follow if we call out the batter-runner and nullify the game-winning run so we might as quietly as possible “remind” the batter-runner to advance.

[Jimurray]

21 minutes ago, Senor Azul said:

From the 2016 BRD (section 33, p. 39): In an explanatory note from Carl Childress he writes—

“OBR does not provide a time frame for the advance:  Simply, you wait around until BR and R3 decide to touch the bases, when the game ends. Many umpires, myself included, would ‘remind’ the runners to advance.”

It’s not an official policy because we as umpires are not supposed to appear as if we are helping one team over the other. But we would definitely like to avoid the sh*tstorm that will certainly follow if we call out the batter-runner and nullify the game-winning run so we might as quietly as possible “remind” the batter-runner to advance.

How can the batter-runner "refuse" to advance unless the umpire asks/tells him to.