Interesting play at LLWS

[stkjock]

At the 8:35 mark, bases loaded, ball popped up....  thoughts?

 

 

 

[agdz59]

I watched without sound so don't know what any comments were.

What I see is infield fly called, the runners choosing to advance, a run scoring, and R2 called out for being outside the baseline. So I've got two outs, a run scored and a runner at second when all is said and done. But that isn't what they ended up with. Did PU make a call of some kind?

[SJA]

Bottom line . . . IMHO,

The Umps blew that play. I only saw the 3rd base ump signal IF. There was already 1 out. Should have been 3rd out at end of play. :-(

[The Man in Blue]

7 minutes ago, agdz59 said:

I watched without sound so don't know what any comments were.

What I see is infield fly called, the runners choosing to advance, a run scoring, and R2 called out for being outside the baseline. So I've got two outs, a run scored and a runner at second when all is said and done. But that isn't what they ended up with. Did PU make a call of some kind?

Close ... there was one out to start.

IF = 2nd out

R2 out of the base path = should have been the 3rd out

R3 didn’t beat the 3rd out home, no run scored.

I’m assuming the 3rd base umpire missed the out of the base path call as the runner stayed on third base.

 

 

[johnpatrick]

4 minutes ago, SJA said:

Bottom line . . . IMHO,

The Umps blew that play. I only saw the 3rd base ump signal IF. There was already 1 out. Should have been 3rd out at end of play. :-(

And a timing play on R3 scoring as well.

[agdz59]

12 minutes ago, The Man in Blue said:

Close ... there was one out to start.

IF = 2nd out

R2 out of the base path = should have been the 3rd out

R3 didn’t beat the 3rd out home, no run scored.

I’m assuming the 3rd base umpire missed the out of the base path call as the runner stayed on third base.

 

 

Yeah, but missed there was one out. So what was the ruling that nullified the second our? 

[SJA]

2nd out was the batter on the IF.

 

[agdz59]

27 minutes ago, SJA said:

2nd out was the batter on the IF.

 

The second out of the play, R2 tagged out.

[SJA]

No, R2 (runner on 2nd gg2 3rd ) and avoiding the tag SHOULD HAVE BEEN the 3rd out.

[agdz59]

17 minutes ago, SJA said:

No, R2 (runner on 2nd gg2 3rd ) and avoiding the tag SHOULD HAVE BEEN the 3rd out.

I'm agreeing with. That's what I saw. 

[johnnyg08]

Yep, I think they missed this one. 

U2 & U3 had a great look at it. 

So it goes. 

[The Man in Blue]

Also worth noting: There was an appeal at third base that the runner left early.  Now, we all know that means nothing since the ball was dropped, but ...

Let’s use this as a teaching moment about “The Advantageous Fourth Out.”  NOTE:THIS IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED!  

For this scenario, we are going to change two things:  assume (1) the ball had been caught and (2) R3 did leave early on this play.

1st out was already earned earlier in the inning.

2nd out was the infield fly call on the pop up but the runners were tagging and trying to advance (maybe F6 and F4 mistakenly thought it was three outs and decided to have a conversation instead of paying attention or F6 made an unsuccessful play to double up R1).

Now, let’s say the third base umpire did see R2 leave the base path and rings him up for the third out.  Plate umpire says the run scores at home (he was incorrect on that timing play).

At this point we already have three outs, but with a run scored.  The astute defense appeals at third base anyway.  An equally astute third base umpire rules the runner is out for leaving early ... and the run is erased with “The Advantageous Fourth Out.”

[Vegas_Ump]

Definitely a blown call!

B4 is out for IFF--ball still in play.

R2 was either tagged or went more than 3-feet out of the base bath.  (No call!  Umps were napping!)

IMO, third out was accomplished BEFORE R3 scored.

One rare time the broadcast crew got all the rules right!

Mike

Las Vegas

[stkjock]

I also say shame on the manager for not coming out to question the call 

[Thunderheads]

yup . IFF, ....  R2 out of baseline, 3rd out, TIME play, ... no run