Pop-up Slide in American Legion

[tempetoro]

Hello Gentlemen,

I am wondering if a pop up slide directly into the bag contacting a fielder in American legion is legal or if it is a violation of the FPSR.  I realize in high school pop up slides are illegal when making contact with the fielder. In college, pop up slides are legal in this same situation.  In my legion rule book, there was no mention of pop up slides so I was wondering which book to defer to?  Thanks again guys.

[noumpere]

46 minutes ago, tempetoro said:

Hello Gentlemen,

I am wondering if a pop up slide directly into the bag contacting a fielder in American legion is legal or if it is a violation of the FPSR.  I realize in high school pop up slides are illegal when making contact with the fielder. In college, pop up slides are legal in this same situation.  In my legion rule book, there was no mention of pop up slides so I was wondering which book to defer to?  Thanks again guys.

Legion is "OBR, except..."  The section on slides lists what is illegal.  A pop-up is not listed as being illegal.  So, ...

[JSam21]

NCAA FPSR is used... it is legal

[tempetoro]

So to get it correct, is a pop up slide ever interfernce (other than something intentional like swatting a glove or arm while popping up) in NCAA and OBR rule set? I could only find this video and it was ruled not interfernce. 

 

[The Man in Blue]

A pop-up slide is not interference in and of itself, but it could be if the actions cause interference.  In that play, I would have gone with interference.  Not because it was a pop up slide, but because the runner interfered.

Does the NCAA rule have a component that deems that not interference?  

[Jimurray]

53 minutes ago, The Man in Blue said:

A pop-up slide is not interference in and of itself, but it could be if the actions cause interference.  In that play, I would have gone with interference.  Not because it was a pop up slide, but because the runner interfered.

Does the NCAA rule have a component that deems that not interference?  

Yes, 8-4-b: 

"b.    Contact with a fielder is legal and interference shall not be called if the runner
makes a legal slide directly to the base and in the baseline extended (see
diagram). If contact occurs on top of the base as a result of a “pop-up” slide,
this contact is legal."

So in what code other than FED would you rationalize that as illegal?
 

[noumpere]

1 hour ago, The Man in Blue said:

Does the NCAA rule have a component that deems that not interference?  

You have the standard backwards -- actions are legal unless there's a clause that makes them illegal*.  NCAA does go beyond that in theis case, but in general, we would not be able to find such a clause.

 

Here,  It's INT with a thrown ball -- and that needs to be intentional to be called.

 

* -- FED has a rule that a pop-up slide *into the fielder* is INT:

2-32-2 ART. 2 . . . A slide is illegal if: a. the runner uses a rolling, cross-body or pop-up slide into the fielder, or

 

[The Man in Blue]

9 hours ago, Jimurray said:

Yes, 8-4-b: 

"b.    Contact with a fielder is legal and interference shall not be called if the runner
makes a legal slide directly to the base and in the baseline extended (see
diagram). If contact occurs on top of the base as a result of a “pop-up” slide,
this contact is legal."

So in what code other than FED would you rationalize that as illegal?
 

 

As we have established, I am out of my element here so I am not making a case for my opinion ... just playing Devil’s Advocate.  

Even using that citation I would argue you could still have grounds for interference.  Again, not for the pop-up slide and contact ... the rule says “contact” is legal.  It does not say it is legal to interfere with the throw though.  Just because he uses a pop up slide does not give him free license to block the throw.  (Or maybe it does, I don’t know.)

[Jimurray]

43 minutes ago, The Man in Blue said:

 

As we have established, I am out of my element here so I am not making a case for my opinion ... just playing Devil’s Advocate.  

Even using that citation I would argue you could still have grounds for interference.  Again, not for the pop-up slide and contact ... the rule says “contact” is legal.  It does not say it is legal to interfere with the throw though.  Just because he uses a pop up slide does not give him free license to block the throw.  (Or maybe it does, I don’t know.)

He doesn’t get free license to block the throw but as a retired runner continuing to run the bases normally, as @noumpere says, it would have to be intentional to be interference. 

[Mister B]

I really, really dislike the FPSR.