does a run score?

[Guest naniann]

one away man on 2nd and 3rd.  A fly ball is caught causing 2 away.  the man on 3rd tags and then runs into home.  the man on 2nd does NOT tag correctly and after the run from 3rd scores the 2nd base is tagged and 3 away is called.  Does the man from 3rd count as a run?  I say yes run at 3rd scores because of running error by the 2nd base. What is the correct ruling?

[noumpere]

It's a time play.  If the appeal /out happened first, the run does not score.  If the run happened first it does score.  It's just that simple.

[Nic]

19 minutes ago, noumpere said:

It's a time play. 

Another weird play, not sure its timing. 2 outs. Bases loaded. Batter taps to 1B side of the mound, P fields and instead of throwing to 1B to record 3rd out, he runs over to tag him. Batter runner stops and retreats backwards 4 steps before being tagged out. Run scored ahead of the tag out. Had he thrown to first for the tag out (as he isnt forced to 1B) the run doesn't score.

Is this treated any different because P choose to tag RUNNER versus base?

[Richvee]

14 minutes ago, Nic said:

Another weird play, not sure its timing. 2 outs. Bases loaded. Batter taps to 1B side of the mound, P fields and instead of throwing to 1B to record 3rd out, he runs over to tag him. Batter runner stops and retreats backwards 4 steps before being tagged out. Run scored ahead of the tag out. Had he thrown to first for the tag out (as he isnt forced to 1B) the run doesn't score.

Is this treated any different because P choose to tag RUNNER versus base?

No different. No run can score when the 3rd out is made by the batter runner before he reaches 1B. 

[noumpere]

9 hours ago, Nic said:

Another weird play, not sure its timing. 2 outs. Bases loaded. Batter taps to 1B side of the mound, P fields and instead of throwing to 1B to record 3rd out, he runs over to tag him. Batter runner stops and retreats backwards 4 steps before being tagged out. Run scored ahead of the tag out. Had he thrown to first for the tag out (as he isnt forced to 1B) the run doesn't score.

Is this treated any different because P choose to tag RUNNER versus base?

See Richvee.  And , had the play been made on R1, it's still a force out even though the runner was tagged and not the base.  So, no run scores.

[stkjock]

10 hours ago, Nic said:

Another weird play, not sure its timing. 2 outs. Bases loaded. Batter taps to 1B side of the mound, P fields and instead of throwing to 1B to record 3rd out, he runs over to tag him. Batter runner stops and retreats backwards 4 steps before being tagged out. Run scored ahead of the tag out. Had he thrown to first for the tag out (as he isnt forced to 1B) the run doesn't score.

Is this treated any different because P choose to tag RUNNER versus base?

a runner forced to vacate his base or the batter runner on a ball in play, can be put out by a tag of the base or the runner, either way, a run cannot score when the third out is either recorded on a force or when the BR doesn't reach first base safely. 

 

[Aging_Arbiter]

Is there any way to put in a disclaimer or a "pop up window with 4.09 (a) EXEPTION and the rule" when a guest starts typing a question into "ask the umpire" that begins with "Does a run.................." to prevent the same answers/discussions, etc over and over?  Obviously, they are completely ignoring the search function.

 

Sincerely,

  The Department of Redundancy Department.

[Richvee]

12 hours ago, Aging_Arbiter said:

Is there any way to put in a disclaimer or a "pop up window with 4.09 (a) EXEPTION and the rule" when a guest starts typing a question into "ask the umpire" that begins with "Does a run.................." to prevent the same answers/discussions, etc over and over?  Obviously, they are completely ignoring the search function.

 

Sincerely,

  The Department of Redundancy Department.

Nice!! Type in "does the run score" and case plays popup for tags on forced runners and leaving a base to soon time plays.