Runner mises home, on a BB ...

[Guest James mayo]

Bases are loaded, a BB is issued and BR goes to 1B.  3B runner walks home but fails and steps over home plate. Said runner walks around the catcher and umpire and walks towards there team's dugout but stops when fans say you missed home she says no i didnt but then turns to go back but not til defense returns the ball home and tags home plate....would said runner be considered out or allowed to touch home freely? 

[stkjock]

runner is out, ball is live, defense made a proper appeal of the missed base, no different if she missed any other base.

[noumpere]

An appeal can be granted when: (4) He fails to touch home base and makes no attempt to
return to that base, and home base is tagged.

 

Once he proceeds a reasonable distance (umpire judgment) from the plate, the appeal can happen.  Here's this from some version of MLBUM:

5.3 RUNNER MISSES HOME PLATE
Should a runner, in scoring, fail to touch home plate and continue on his way to the bench
(making no effort to return), he may be put out by the fielder touching home plate and appealing
to the umpire for a decision. However, this rule applies only where a runner is on his way to the
bench and the catcher would be required to chase the runner. It does not apply to the ordinary
play where the runner misses the plate and then immediately makes an effort to touch the plate
before being tagged. In that case, the runner must be tagged. In such cases, base path rules still
apply to the runner (i.e., he may not run more than three feet from the "baseline" between him
and home plate).

[Rich Ives]

1 hour ago, stkjock said:

@noumpere - your detailed response and rule cite, brings up a question for me from 5.3 - the rule seems to imply that the runner had to be tagged in the first place, in the OP it was a force, so why would an immediate appeal of "he/she missed the base be allowed"

 

This note from 5.06 (OBR) says just tagging the base is sufficient,

 

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What next base is the runner headed toward?

Advancing on a walk may be a force BUT it ie without liability to be put out. 

This was at home. Use the home plate interp.

[stkjock]

@noumpere - your detailed response and rule cite, brings up a question for me from 5.3 - the rule seems to imply that the runner had to be tagged in the first place, in the OP it was a force, so why would an immediate appeal of "he/she missed the base be allowed"

 

This note from 5.06 (OBR) says just tagging the base is sufficient,

 

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NOTE: When a runner is entitled to a base without liability to be put out, while the ball is in play, or under any rule in which the ball is in play after the runner reaches the base to which he is entitled, and the runner fails to touch the base to which he is entitled before attempting to advance to the next base, the runner shall forfeit his exemption from liability to be put out, and he may be put out by tagging the base or by tagging the runner before he returns to the missed base;

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Rule 5.09(c)  (3) He overruns or overslides first base and fails to return to the base immediately, and he or the base is tagged prior to the runner returning to first base; (4) He fails to touch home base and makes no attempt to return to that base, and home base is tagged. Any appeal under this rule must be made before the next

 

[White47]

If in your judgement you the runner was coming back and the situation seemed unrelaxed (she running back), would she not have to be taged?? just a thought. 

I think this is the discussion noumpere and stkjock are having. 

[MadMax]

13 hours ago, Guest James mayo said:

Bases are loaded, a BB is issued and BR goes to 1B.  3B runner walks home but fails and steps over home plate. Said runner walks around the catcher and umpire and walks towards there team's dugout but stops when fans say you missed home she says no i didnt but then turns to go back but not til defense returns the ball home and tags home plate....would said runner be considered out or allowed to touch home freely? 

I do not intend to sidetrack or derail @noumpere's and @stkjock's answer-discussion; my posting is focused on something presented in the OQ that may be a misconception.

A standard base-on-balls (hence, BB) walk is not a dead-ball event or award. The ball remains live. Thus, with a live ball in the F1's or F2's hand, an appeal (physical, or verbal if Fed) can be granted by the umpire who judges that the Runner is not making a reasonable (timely, prompt) effort to correct the missed touch of home plate. 

This will (or should) never be granted. If the Runner is already walking towards the dugout, oblivious to his/her missing of the plate until notified by a coach / teammate / fan / parent, then he/she is liable to be declared out on appeal; there is no return "freely".

A HBP or CI (such as on a foul ball or swinging strike) is a Dead-Ball event or award. In that case, for an appeal to be granted, the ball must be made Live again first, or (in Fed) the umpire must judge that the Runner has moved far enough away so as to allow and grant a verbal appeal by the defense. 

[beerguy55]

1 hour ago, MadMax said:

If the Runner is already walking towards the dugout, oblivious to his/her missing of the plate until notified by a coach / teammate / fan / parent, then he/she is liable to be declared out on appeal; there is no return "freely".

I interpreted this in a different way - that is, the runner is free to TRY to get back to the plate before the appeal is completed if he/she hasn't left the field.  If the runner has returned to the dugout or in any other way stepped into DBT then would not be able to correct their mistake.  But no, I understand your conclusion - since the DT is able to appeal there is no "freely" about it.

[Guest James mayo]

In this situation said runner was tagged as well as the catcher standing on the plate so, either tag or touch was sufficient in this preticular instance in my subsequently calling said runner out on a BB which i have never encountered in 10 years til that moment. 

[Rich Ives]

Go back and read the "Runner misses home plate" posted above. Stop looking for a way to circumvent it.