Infield fly rule

[Guest Deny]

Runners on first and second with no outs. Batter hits a pop up down the first base line. First baseman comes in to make the easy catch. Umpire calls batter out based on infield fly rule. First baseman loses the ball in the sun and it lands fair but rolls foul, is the batter still out?

[maven]

A foul ball cannot be an infield fly. If touched over fair ground, it is a fair ball and an infield fly, even if it subsequently rolls into foul ground.

[Man_In_Black]

Usually, when a potential infield fly is popped up close to either foul line an experienced umpire will call "That's an infield fly if fair!" That way, all on the field know the batter is not out if the ball, as in your case, is ruled foul.

[Richvee]

untouched, rolls foul between home and the base = foul, no IFF.

untouched, rollsinto the bag or rolls foul after the bag = Fair ball and IFF

touched over fair = fair ball and IFF no matter where it rolls after the touch over fair territory.

 

[FleasOf1000Camels]

Bad timing/mechanics by umpire on 2 counts:

1. When announcing "Infield Fly" on a ball ANYWHERE near either foul line or in front of mound ALWAYS add "if fair"

2. Never declare "Batter Out" until ball is caught OR actually determined to be fair.

[Stk004]

On Monday, July 11, 2016 at 7:36 AM, FleasOf1000Camels said:

Bad timing/mechanics by umpire on 2 counts:

1. When announcing "Infield Fly" on a ball ANYWHERE near either foul line or in front of mound ALWAYS add "if fair"

2. Never declare "Batter Out" until ball is caught OR actually determined to be fair.

Looks like I have a bad habit. 

So the proper sequence is "Infield fly (if fair, if necessary)!" Then once it's caught or deemed to be a fair ball announce "Batter is out" ?

[maineump]

4 hours ago, Stk004 said:

Looks like I have a bad habit. 

So the proper sequence is "Infield fly (if fair, if necessary)!" Then once it's caught or deemed to be a fair ball announce "Batter is out" ?

Correct, but generally speaking the verbal 'out' call is silent. Everyone in the park knows he is out.

Make sure to get your hand up, and don't call or say anything until the ball is at it's apex or on the way down. This call doesn't have to be rushed.

[maven]

Also, bear in mind that the mechanics for IFF are basically a courtesy notification. Unlike many calls we make, the call does not determine the status of an IFF.

A batted ball is or is not an IFF no matter what the umpires do (call one that isn't, omit to call one that is), and both offense and defense are responsible for knowing whether it is, no matter what the umpires do.

[basejester]

If ordinary effort is questionable, then I think we have to stick with a no-call, even if it's really because the umpires forgot the situation.  Fed is explicit that the onus falls on the players for knowing the status of runners and outs and the rule itself (and judging obvious ordinary effort).

Little League Rules Instruction Manual, for those who care:

INSTRUCTOR COMMENTS:
* In judging “ordinary effort” by an infielder, an umpire (any umpire) must evaluate the relative age group of the players, not the individual ability of the respective player. “Ordinary effort” will change from division to division.
* Whether the ball is an infield fly or not is solely the judgment of the umpire and may not be protested. However, if the umpires forget to call the Infield Fly because of absent-mindedness the situation must be corrected. The defense must not be allowed to get a double play when the Infield Fly should have been called. Make the belated call and get the situation corrected the way the rule was intended.
* Generally, the Infield Fly is first called by the plate umpire if the infielder is moving in; in cases where the ball is even with the infielder or the infielder is moving back, the base umpire can initiate the call.
* When one umpire calls “Infield Fly,” all umpires working the game call it.
* There cannot be an Infield Fly on a bunt or a line drive, regardless if the other criteria have been met.
* When an infield fly is called, runners may advance at their own risk. If on an infield fly rule, the infielder intentionally drops a fair ball, the ball remains in play despite the provisions of Rule 6.05(k). The infield fly rule takes precedence.

[FleasOf1000Camels]

If ball is caught, a casual right fist is all that's needed to declare the out.

If after being declared "infield fly" it falls uncaught AND remains fair, signal and verbally call "batter OUT"

[Rich Ives]

5 hours ago, maven said:

Also, bear in mind that the mechanics for IFF are basically a courtesy notification. Unlike many calls we make, the call does not determine the status of an IFF.

A batted ball is or is not an IFF no matter what the umpires do (call one that isn't, omit to call one that is), and both offense and defense are responsible for knowing whether it is, no matter what the umpires do.

In FED.

Not necessarily elsewhere.