Rule please!

[JaxRolo]

R1 on 3rd and R2 on 2nd with one out. B7 singles to the outfield with R1 scoring easily and R2 being thrown out at home. B7 moves up to 2nd on the throw home. The defensive team’s coach comes out to the mound to talk with his pitcher. After the conference is over the coach verbal appeals B7 missing 1st base. U1 calls B7 out for the third out. B7’s out is a force out, therefore, R1’s run does not count... True or False

[Jimurray]

R1 on 3rd and R2 on 2nd with one out. B7 singles to the outfield with R1 scoring easily and R2 being thrown out at home. B7 moves up to 2nd on the throw home. The defensive team’s coach comes out to the mound to talk with his pitcher. After the conference is over the coach verbal appeals B7 missing 1st base. U1 calls B7 out for the third out. B7’s out is a force out, therefore, R1’s run does not count... True or False

True. The out at 1B is not a force but I think FED calls it a force. You must be quoting an actual FED question because I know you would not use their effed up runner designation.

[JaxRolo]

This was posted on my FB page . I drew a blank on it.

[maven]

If the question is testing whether the "window" for a dead-ball appeal is closed because the coach came out to conference with his pitcher, the answer is no. That would make the correct response "True."

If the question is testing whether a BR missing 1B is a force out properly so called, the answer is no. That would make the correct response "False."

If the "force" is just sloppy question writing, I'd go with "True."

[KenBAZ]

I believe that in the OP the 3rd out is made at first on appeal. However it is not made prior to the BR having reached 1st. Score the run? Sent from my SM-N910T using Tapatalk

[JaxRolo]

If the question is testing whether the "window" for a dead-ball appeal is closed because the coach came out to conference with his pitcher, the answer is no. That would make the correct response "True."

If the question is testing whether a BR missing 1B is a force out properly so called, the answer is no. That would make the correct response "False."

If the "force" is just sloppy question writing, I'd go with "True."

I think it's sloppy test writing.

[maven]

I believe that in the OP the 3rd out is made at first on appeal. However it is not made prior to the BR having reached 1st. Score the run?

No. The appeal is made prior to the BR having legally acquired 1B.

His having passed and missed 1B allows him to acquire 1B ONLY pending proper appeal by the defense. Since the defense did appeal properly, he did not acquire 1B. Since that was the 3rd out, no run can score.

[Rich Ives]

I believe that in the OP the 3rd out is made at first on appeal. However it is not made prior to the BR having reached 1st. Score the run? Sent from my SM-N910T using Tapatalk

For OBR check the approved rulings in 4.09 (old numbering). You'll find the answer there.

[goody14]

5.08 in the new

[KenBAZ]

I see the approved ruling. The run does not score when the BR makes the third out prior to reaching first base. The OP is an example of this. Sent from my SM-N910T using Tapatalk

[BCBrad]

Am I missing something? Not with no runs scoring on the proper appeal where the third out is a force (eg. B7 not touching 1st), but on the appeal of the play. 

1. If the coach comes out to talk to pitcher, would the play be dead? The ball has to be in play for a proper appeal of a missed base.

2. For a missed base appeal, the base must be touched by a defensive player on the field in possession of the ball while the ball is in play. The player must demonstrate to the umpire which player they are appealing missed the base. Why is the coach making the appeal? 

 

[Jimurray]

Am I missing something? Not with no runs scoring on the proper appeal where the third out is a force (eg. B7 not touching 1st), but on the appeal of the play. 

1. If the coach comes out to talk to pitcher, would the play be dead? The ball has to be in play for a proper appeal of a missed base.

2. For a missed base appeal, the base must be touched by a defensive player on the field in possession of the ball while the ball is in play. The player must demonstrate to the umpire which player they are appealing missed the base. Why is the coach making the appeal? 

 

You are missing two things, The runner terminolgy implies FED aka NFHS rules. Thus that code allows dead ball verbal appeals by a player or coach.

Your item 2 does not mention that a defensive player in the field with possession of the ball can also touch the runner who missed the base while the ball is in play.

[FleasOf1000Camels]

No run, since 3rd out was made by batter who failed to reach 1st base safely.

As much as I hate dead ball appeals, FED allows them.  As to the question of the defensive conference ending the right to appeal?  No, from 2016 NFHS case, 8.2.1e, comment:  "The right to appeal does not end until: (1) the next pitch (legal or illegal) is made; (2) at the end of the inning, when the infielders (which includes the pitcher and catcher) leaves the field (crosses the foul line); (3) at the end of the game, when the umpire(s) leave the field; (4) a request for intentional base on ball is granted; or (5) a defensive initiated play or attempted play is made."

 

 

[DVA7130]

Technically false  That  isn't a force out.

[Dbellyflop]

 

OBR 

Rule 5.08 Comment (Rule 4.09 Comment): APPROVED RULING: No run shall score during a play in which the third out is made by the batter-runner before he touches first base. Example: One out, Jones on second, Smith on first. The batter, Brown, hits safely. Jones scores. Smith is out on the throw to the plate. Two outs. But Brown missed first base. The ball is thrown to first, an appeal is made, and Brown is out. Three outs. Since Jones crossed the plate during a play in which the third out was made by the batter-runner before he touched first base, Jones’ run does not count.

Edited January 15, 2016 by Dbellyflop