Turner's slide...... helmet.....

[Dbellyflop]

 

Is tagging the equipment enough for the out?

or does it still have to be on his head?

kinda making a reach, but.......... go easy on me, I have been accused of reading the rules too literally.......

DEFINITIONS OF TERMS

The PERSON of a player or an umpire is any part of his body, his clothing or his equipment.

A TAG is the action of a fielder in touching a base with his body while holding the ball securely and firmly in his hand or glove; or touching a runner with the ball, or with his hand or glove holding the ball, while holding the ball securely and firmly in his hand or glove. It is not a tag, however, if simultaneously or immediately following his touching a base or touching a runner, the fielder drops the ball. In establishing the validity of the tag, the fielder shall hold the ball long enough to prove that he has complete control of the ball. If the fielder has made a tag and drops the ball while in the act of making a throw following the tag, the tag shall be adjudged to have been made.

A RUNNER is an offensive player who is advancing toward, or touching, or returning to any base.

 

[noumpere]

Who is "Turner?"  IS there a video of a specific play?

 

In general, the helmet needs to be worn properly to be part of the player.

(Although, if it fell off and the runner was carrying it, and was tagged on the helmet, I'd still have an out

 

 

 

And, I get the reading literally part -- that's part of what leads to the "234 known errors" in OBR.

[stkjock]

here's the vid

 

http://m.mlb.com/lad/video/v443835683/sflad-turner-slides-around-tag-for-stolen-base

 

 

 

[noumpere]

Thanks.

 

Correct call on the initial tag of the helmet

[JaxRolo]

Great call!

[Richvee]

Great call..and once again Vin Scully proves why he's the best. " They're not gonna make a tape of that and send it to the minor leagues to teach them how to slide" 

[Dbellyflop]

sorry the video wasn't there..... still figuring out the embed stuff. when i posted it i could see it.....

@Richvee @JaxRolo, yes it was a great call with great timing.......

 

[MooseLoop]

The tag of the loose helmet should still be an out, as it is part of the runner.  If not, then the runner's helmet impeded the fielder's play and the runner is out for interference.

Bochy did not dispute the call, so what am I missing?  

[stl_ump]

The helmet wasn't attached.

If his shoe came off and it was on the base he wouldn't be safe would he?

[noumpere]

The tag of the loose helmet should still be an out, as it is part of the runner.  If not, then the runner's helmet impeded the fielder's play and the runner is out for interference.

Bochy did not dispute the call, so what am I missing?  

A sarcasm emoji?

[ElkOil]

Looks to me like the loose helmet affected the tag.  I'd bang the out on INT.

Alright... now tell me why I'm wrong...

[noumpere]

Looks to me like the loose helmet affected the tag.  I'd bang the out on INT.

Alright... now tell me why I'm wrong...

Extend this part to include a tag.

 

Note that this part requires intent.

 

In cases where the batting helmet is accidentally hit with a batted

ball on or over fair territory or a thrown ball, the ball

remains in play the same as if it has not hit the helmet.

 

If a batted ball strikes a batting helmet or any other object foreign

to the natural ground while on foul territory, it is a foul

ball and the ball is dead.

 

If, in the umpire’s judgment, there is intent on the part of a

baserunner to interfere with a batted or thrown ball by dropping

the helmet or throwing it at the ball, then the runner would

be out, the ball dead and runners would return to last base

legally touched.

[Senor Azul]

From Carl Childress’ BRD (2014 edition, p. 194):

Fed Official Interpretation:  If a live ball hits an accidentally-detached helmet, it is not interference and the ball remains in play. B. Eliot Hopkins, 2007

NCAA: Same as Fed Official Interpretation. (6-1f)

OBR:  Same as NCAA. (6.05h CMT)

6.05 A batter is out when-

(h) After hitting or bunting a fair ball, his bat hits the ball a second time in fair territory. The ball is dead and no runners may advance. If the batter runner drops his bat and the ball rolls against the bat in fair territory and, in the umpire's judgment, there was no intention to interfere with the course of the ball, the ball is alive and in play; If a bat breaks and part of it is in fair territory and is hit by a batted ball or part of it hits a runner or fielder, play shall continue and no interference called. If batted ball hits part of broken bat in foul territory, it is a foul ball. If a whole bat is thrown into fair territory and interferes with a defensive player attempting to make a play, interference shall be called, whether intentional or not. In cases where the batting helmet is accidentally hit with a batted or thrown ball, the ball remains in play the same as if it has not hit the helmet. If a batted ball strikes a batting helmet or any other object foreign to the natural ground while on foul territory, it is a foul ball and the ball is dead. If, in the umpire's judgment, there is intent on the part of a baserunner to interfere with a batted or thrown ball by dropping the helmet or throwing it at the ball, then the runner would be out, the ball dead and runners would return to last base legally touched.

[DVA7130]

The tag of the loose helmet should still be an out, as it is part of the runner.   

Well crap. Bats already come with a set of hands attached as part. Now every runner is born with a helmet. I can't keep up!