Fair/Foul - Royals at Rays

[MObetterBlue]

Is the plate umpires first responsibility here the runner from third?  Not sure why the foul call isn't his.

[Thunderheads]

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Is the plate umpires first responsibility here the runner from third?  Not sure why the foul call isn't his.

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Edited August 31, 2015 by Thunderheads

[stkjock]

maybe this one?

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/146357568/royals-disagree-with-call-on-double-play

would seem it should be PU call

Edited August 31, 2015 by stkjock

[Thunderheads]

 

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[noumpere]

 

Is the plate umpires first responsibility here the runner from third?  Not sure why the foul call isn't his.

Sometimes they use the cutout as the dividing line for fair / foul responsibility.

[maven]

Sometimes they use the cutout as the dividing line for fair / foul responsibility.

True, and that's what they did here.

You might think this would be tight for U1, but this ball is above F3's head when it's touched. U1 would have a solid look here.

The camera angle is misleading. Unless F3's arms are longer than his legs, this has to be a fair ball.

[MObetterBlue]

True, and that's what they did here.

You might think this would be tight for U1, but this ball is above F3's head when it's touched. U1 would have a solid look here.

The camera angle is misleading. Unless F3's arms are longer than his legs, this has to be a fair ball.

I would agree U1 had a pretty good look at it and he as positioned right there.  It was just interesting to me that the ball was in front of the bag and U1 made the call. 

Morales was an idiot for not running it out...

[the_umpire]

Is the plate umpires first responsibility here the runner from third?  Not sure why the foul call isn't his.

In pro mechanics, fair/foul balls (being a bunt, or what we see in this video) are up to either the 1B umpire, or the 3B umpire when there is a runner on third base. For the reason that MObetterBlue said, so PU can get into a better spot for the play at the plate. Aside from the video, another example would be a squeeze play where the batter bunts the ball up the first base line. The 1B umpire would take the fair/foul so PU can get into the best position for the play at the plate; which would in this case would be 3blx. The PU would not be able to get into that spot, if he has to stay on the line for fair/foul. Therefore, when you have extra umpires on the field, you utilize these mechanics to give your partners the chance to be in the right spot and get the best possible look. 

This mechanic is utilized in pro 3 man, and 4 man mechanics (and probably college but not 100% sure about that.)

As a side note, just in case any of you guys are curious, this mechanic is signalled usually by a paired pointer and middle finger together (refer to the picture) with a slight sideways turn in the wrist. (The hand in the picture is not my hand, got the pic from GOOGLE )

[UMP45]

In pro mechanics, fair/foul balls (being a bunt, or what we see in this video) are up to either the 1B umpire, or the 3B umpire when there is a runner on third base. For the reason that MObetterBlue said, so PU can get into a better spot for the play at the plate. Aside from the video, another example would be a squeeze play where the batter bunts the ball up the first base line. The 1B umpire would take the fair/foul so PU can get into the best position for the play at the plate; which would in this case would be 3blx. The PU would not be able to get into that spot, if he has to stay on the line for fair/foul. Therefore, when you have extra umpires on the field, you utilize these mechanics to give your partners the chance to be in the right spot and get the best possible look. 

This mechanic is utilized in pro 3 man, and 4 man mechanics (and probably college but not 100% sure about that.)

As a side note, just in case any of you guys are curious, this mechanic is signalled usually by a paired pointer and middle finger together (refer to the picture) with a slight sideways turn in the wrist. (The hand in the picture is not my hand, got the pic from GOOGLE )

As apposed to pointing with the index finger only?

[umpstu]

In pro mechanics, fair/foul balls (being a bunt, or what we see in this video) are up to either the 1B umpire, or the 3B umpire when there is a runner on third base. For the reason that MObetterBlue said, so PU can get into a better spot for the play at the plate. Aside from the video, another example would be a squeeze play where the batter bunts the ball up the first base line. The 1B umpire would take the fair/foul so PU can get into the best position for the play at the plate; which would in this case would be 3blx. The PU would not be able to get into that spot, if he has to stay on the line for fair/foul. Therefore, when you have extra umpires on the field, you utilize these mechanics to give your partners the chance to be in the right spot and get the best possible look. 

This mechanic is utilized in pro 3 man, and 4 man mechanics (and probably college but not 100% sure about that.)

As a side note, just in case any of you guys are curious, this mechanic is signalled usually by a paired pointer and middle finger together (refer to the picture) with a slight sideways turn in the wrist. (The hand in the picture is not my hand, got the pic from GOOGLE )

Excellent post.  When working 3 man I have always used a baseball like grip with a twist to show PU I will take the ball after it passes the runner on third.  Hadn't heard of the one you posted, but will surely implement it in our unit.  Makes a lot of sense.

[Jimurray]

In pro mechanics, fair/foul balls (being a bunt, or what we see in this video) are up to either the 1B umpire, or the 3B umpire when there is a runner on third base. For the reason that MObetterBlue said, so PU can get into a better spot for the play at the plate. Aside from the video, another example would be a squeeze play where the batter bunts the ball up the first base line. The 1B umpire would take the fair/foul so PU can get into the best position for the play at the plate; which would in this case would be 3blx. The PU would not be able to get into that spot, if he has to stay on the line for fair/foul. Therefore, when you have extra umpires on the field, you utilize these mechanics to give your partners the chance to be in the right spot and get the best possible look. 

This mechanic is utilized in pro 3 man, and 4 man mechanics (and probably college but not 100% sure about that.)

As a side note, just in case any of you guys are curious, this mechanic is signalled usually by a paired pointer and middle finger together (refer to the picture) with a slight sideways turn in the wrist. (The hand in the picture is not my hand, got the pic from GOOGLE )

Did this ump stay 1blx because it might be his call if U1 doesn't take it? He was in the right position for the play at the plate but it wasn't 3blx. With balls hit to the infield you don't get much of a choice sometimes.

[the_umpire]

Did this ump stay 1blx because it might be his call if U1 doesn't take it? He was in the right position for the play at the plate but it wasn't 3blx. With balls hit to the infield you don't get much of a choice sometimes.

Maybe. Or maybe thats where he wanted to take the play at the plate. When I mentioned 3blx, I was just making an example up. You are right, 3blx is not always the best spot, but more and more instructors are teaching PU's to take most of there plays from 3blx, but it's all up to the umpire and his judgement on where he things he can get the best look, and more of the time there won;t be just one spot, but constant little adjustments.