Catcher hits batter with throw; do you toss him??

[grayhawk]

​The fact that it was a 'Dick Move' has no bearing on an EJ. There are Dick Moves in 90% of the games I do. The catcher tried to gain an advantage, it didn't work. It's nothing, it sucks for the batter--Yes. But it's not that different than going in hard on a slide or laying a tag down in a guys face...And you don't EJ on that. 

​In that whole post, this is what you choose to focus on? I have one, simple "yes or no" question for you.  In your judgment, did the catcher intentionally hit the batter with his throw?

[basejester]

Put the same idea into a HS game - Batter runner gets drilled between the numbers while running to 1B, and he is outside the runners lane. Do you have MC for that?

Of course not, because (unlike the situation in the original post) he threw where the offensive player shouldn't be.  I wouldn't eject a pitcher for hitting a batter standing on the plate with a pitch, either. 

 

[maineump]

Of course not, because (unlike the situation in the original post) he threw where the offensive player shouldn't be.  I wouldn't eject a pitcher for hitting a batter standing on the plate with a pitch, either. 

 

​I guess that is sort of my point, that in every play the offense and defense have 'places to be' and the outcome of the play is if either did something wrong. In our world we don't have replay from multiple angles, we have to make the call at the time of the play.

In the OP the batter is where he is supposed to be, the catcher has the responsibility to step behind and throw to 3B. As a split-second call - did the catcher have intentions for MC? Not in my mind.

[Trakes2]

​In that whole post, this is what you choose to focus on? I have one, simple "yes or no" question for you.  In your judgment, did the catcher intentionally hit the batter with his throw?

​Simple Answer: YES.

 

Additional Info: Yes, I believe that the catcher did want to hit him with his throw. NO, it was not for MC reasons, or to hurt him or anything like that. It was simply to get a call to go his way. Period. 

[DVA7130]

Of course not, because (unlike the situation in the original post) he threw where the offensive player shouldn't be.  I wouldn't eject a pitcher for hitting a batter standing on the plate with a pitch, either. 

 

​But you would call him out.

[basejester]

I don't know that I would make the correct assessment in real time, but it's clear to me upon repeated viewing that the catcher's actions were intentional and unsportsmanlike.  They're separate issues: what's correct and what we might miss.

 

[basejester]

Additional Info: Yes, I believe that the catcher did want to hit him with his throw. NO, it was not for MC reasons, or to hurt him or anything like that. It was simply to get a call to go his way. Period. 

​I believe that throwing a baseball at a person (who has no way to avoid it) to try to get a call is unsportsmanlike.  It's not enough to lack malice.  Simple indifference to the other person's well-being is unsportsmanlike,

 

[maineump]

​But you would call him out.

​The BR is out.

[Thunderheads]

​I believe that throwing a baseball at a person (who has no way to avoid it) to try to get a call is unsportsmanlike.  It's not enough to lack malice.  Simple indifference to the other person's well-being is unsportsmanlike,

 

​and that's the easy justification I was referring to for a HS EJ ....  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Umpire in Chief]

While I mentioned without having additional information, I would not eject... I wouldn't have a beef with may partner if I were on the bases and he ejected. 

 

[maineump]

While I mentioned without having additional information, I would not eject... I wouldn't have a beef with may partner if I were on the bases and he ejected. 

 

​I agree, after re-watching the replay (many times) and watching the catchers feet and the fact that he popped up in front of the HP umpire, he may have been blocked out and obviously wouldn't see the footwork. He would just see the sidearm throw.

[ElkOil]

​In that whole post, this is what you choose to focus on? I have one, simple "yes or no" question for you.  In your judgment, did the catcher intentionally hit the batter with his throw?

​No matter how I look at it, I've got a "yes."