FED Base Awards

[DVA7130]

This is from a study guide distributed to us:

With runners on first and third bases, the pitcher assumes his position on the pitcher's plate in the set position. The runner at third makes a break towards the plate. The pitcher steps clearly backward off the pitcher's plate then runs several steps towards home plate and throws the ball to the catcher. The throw bounces away from the catcher and into the stands. At the time of the pitcher's throw, the runner from first base was between second and third. The runner that was on first base is awarded 3rd base. 8-3-3.c.2

Why is he not awarded home? It does not seem like this should be TOP.

[Richvee]

Somebody did a poor trying to copy caseplay 8.3.3 SIT E

 

 

8.3.3 SITUATION E:

With runners on first and third bases, the pitcher assumes his position on the pitcher's plate in the set position with the ball in both hands in front of his body. R1 makes a break towards the plate. F1 steps clearly backward off the pitcher's plate. F1 then runs several steps towards home plate and throws the ball to the catcher while R1 continues to advance. The throw bounces away from F2 and into the stands. How far should R2, who is on first, be allowed to advance?

RULING: When the pitcher legally stepped clearly backward off the pitcher's plate, he became an infielder and his throw into the stands resulted in all base runners being awarded two bases from where they were at the time the throw left the fielder's hand. R2 would be awarded third base in this situation.

[VAUmp]

R1 should be awarded home.  If he were throwing it from the pitching plate, that would be the correct ruling.  Since he ran toward the plate, he should be awarded home.

 

ART. 3 . . . Each runner is awarded:

a. four bases (home) if a fair ball goes over a fence in flight or hits a foul pole above the fence, or is prevented from going over by being touched by a spectator, or is touched by an illegal glove/mitt or detached player equipment which is thrown, tossed, kicked or held by a fielder;

b. three bases if a batted ball (other than in item a) is touched by an illegal glove or mitt, or by detached player equipment which is thrown, tossed, kicked or held by a fielder, provided the ball when touched is on or over fair ground, or is a fair ball while on or over foul ground, or is over foul ground in a situation such that it might become a fair ball;

c. two bases if a fair batted or thrown ball becomes dead because of bouncing over or passing through a fence, or lodges in a defensive player's or umpire's equipment or uniform; or if a live thrown ball:

1. including a pitch, is touched by an illegal glove or mitt, or by detached player equipment which is thrown, tossed, kicked or held by a fielder; or

2. goes into a stand for spectators, dugout or player's bench or over or through or lodges in a fence and it is not thrown by a pitcher from his plate as in 8-3-3d;

3. When two runners are between the same bases on an overthrow into dead ball­ territory, the lead runner receives two bases and the following runner is awarded one, since both runners cannot share the same awarded base.

[maven]

I expect the play has a mistake in it. R1, R3, and R3 breaks for the plate. R1 presumably breaks for 2B around the same time. F1 steps off and throws. Do you really believe that in that span of time R1 has acquired 2B?

 

I don't. I think that the second to last sentence should read: "At the time of the pitcher's throw goes out of play, the runner from first base was between second and third." Or, maybe they got the bases wrong, so that it should read: "At the time of the pitcher's throw, the runner from first base was between second and third first and second."

 

Since it is not plausible that R1 had not yet acquired 2B at TOT, he is properly awarded 3B.

[DVA7130]

This is the problem. I have been told Many times recently that the test is based on the study guide, and to trust the study guide, but

[johnnyg08]

This is the problem. I have been told Many times recently that the test is based on the study guide, and to trust the study guide, but

 

Ask about the issue in the study guide...politely and tactfully mention the difference you see and ask for clarification.  

[catsbackr]

OK, the study guide is wrong.  It's not the first time nor will it be the last time something distributed by Fed is wrong.

 

Make a note of it and move on.

[BigSimonia]

OK - since F1 is no longer a pitcher (having stepped off the plate) and therefore there is no pitch and no batted ball to field, the award is a hybrid between a throw by a pitcher into DBT (which is ONE base, time of PITCH) and the first throw by an infielder on a batted ball (which is TWO bases time of PITCH) resulting in TWO bases time of THROW - as it would be on a throw into DBT from an outfielder or on the second play by an infielder (at least that's what 8.3.3E says)  Is that correct/

[Richvee]

OK - since F1 is no longer a pitcher (having stepped off the plate) and therefore there is no pitch and no batted ball to field, the award is a hybrid between a throw by a pitcher into DBT (which is ONE base, time of PITCH) and the first throw by an infielder on a batted ball (which is TWO bases time of PITCH) resulting in TWO bases time of THROW - as it would be on a throw into DBT from an outfielder or on the second play by an infielder (at least that's what 8.3.3E says)  Is that correct/

Don't overthink it. 2 bases from where the runners are time of throw. There's no pitch, so there can be no TOP award.