How does a batter get to 3rd on a foul ball?

[Dean]

How would a batter get to third base on a foul ball?

[noumpere]

Sounds like a trivia question (or a test question) so rather than give you an answer, I'll give you a hint.  It's an award.

[grayhawk]

Detached equipment on a batted ball that had a chance of becoming fair.

[Dean]

Awesome, read that one in a story about Cal Hubbard making that call. Never really thought about that scenario before.

[DVA7130]

The better question is how long would the coach remain in the game after the call?

[Dean]

Ernie Stewart and Cal Hubbard are supposedly the two umpires that made that call - From "The Men in Blue" book.

[Rich Ives]

Detached equipment on a batted ball that had a chance of becoming fair.

 

Which brings up another quandary - does that make the ball fair even though it meets the definition of foul?

 

Because:

 

Three bases, if a fielder deliberately throws his glove at and touches a fair ball. The

ball is in play and the batter may advance to home base at his peril.

[Jimurray]

 

Detached equipment on a batted ball that had a chance of becoming fair.

 

Which brings up another quandary - does that make the ball fair even though it meets the definition of foul?

 

Because:

 

Three bases, if a fielder deliberately throws his glove at and touches a fair ball. The

ball is in play and the batter may advance to home base at his peril.

 

No quandary, the MLBUM states that the ball is in play.

[Replacematt]

The better question is how long would the coach remain in the game after the call?

 

The whole game, in my case.

 

http://umpire-empire.com/index.php/topic/58997-detached-equipment-on-foul-ball/

[noumpere]

 

 

Detached equipment on a batted ball that had a chance of becoming fair.

 

Which brings up another quandary - does that make the ball fair even though it meets the definition of foul?

 

Because:

 

Three bases, if a fielder deliberately throws his glove at and touches a fair ball. The

ball is in play and the batter may advance to home base at his peril.

 

No quandary, the MLBUM states that the ball is in play.

 

It does? 

 

I read it as "not covered" -- if a fair ball is touched, it's a three base award and the ball is in play.

 

If it's a foul ball, it's a three base award, but the status is not discussed.

 

Frankly, I don't think it matters because at the pro level, a runner is not going to advance more than three bases on a ball that's still in the vicinity of the infield (but I'd kill it anyway).

[Jimurray]

 

 

 

Detached equipment on a batted ball that had a chance of becoming fair.

 

Which brings up another quandary - does that make the ball fair even though it meets the definition of foul?

 

Because:

 

Three bases, if a fielder deliberately throws his glove at and touches a fair ball. The

ball is in play and the batter may advance to home base at his peril.

 

No quandary, the MLBUM states that the ball is in play.

 

It does? 

 

I read it as "not covered" -- if a fair ball is touched, it's a three base award and the ball is in play.

 

If it's a foul ball, it's a three base award, but the status is not discussed.

 

Frankly, I don't think it matters because at the pro level, a runner is not going to advance more than three bases on a ball that's still in the vicinity of the infield (but I'd kill it anyway).

 

MLBUM and PBUC both state the ball is in play on a batted ball over foul territory, umpire judging that it has an opportunity to become fair, that is touched with detached equipment.

The thread @Matt references has a Wendelstedt mechanic on how to call it.

 

Off to check on how FED and NCAA call it.

[Senor Azul]

Here's the Federation interpretation:

 

A fielder using detached equipment, including uniform items, may not deliberately interfere with a batted fair ball or a foul ball that in the opinion of the umpire might have become fair without the interference. PENALTY: All runners, including the batter-runner, are awarded three bases. The ball remains alive. If the batter-runner makes home safely or is thrown out at the plate, the play stands. (8-3-3b)

 

NCAA rules the same as Federation. (8-2h; 83g)

 

Every interpretation book I have supports the OBR ruling already discussed in this thread: J/R, PBUC, MLBUM, BRD, and the Wendelstedt manual.