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HP Umpire Mark Ripperger ejected Cardinals LF Matt Holliday for arguing a strike three call in the bottom of the 7th inning of the Red Sox-Cardinals game. With two out and one on, Holliday took a 1-2 sinker from Red Sox pitcher Burke Badenhop for a called third strike. Replays indicate the pitch...

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Lindsay
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I think the base looks something like this 

JaxRolo
JaxRolo

By my calculations: = Strike!

JaxRolo
JaxRolo

I'll let you decide then my answer will be the opposite of what you say!

JaxRolo

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looks pretty wide, ....would like to see the grid on that ......

Replays indicate the pitch was located over the outer edge of home plate and at the hollow of the knee (px 0.81, pz 1.82 / sz_bot 1.83 [MOE 1.75]), the call was correct.

Thunderheads

Thunderheads

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looks pretty wide, ....would like to see the grid on that ......

Replays indicate the pitch was located over the outer edge of home plate and at the hollow of the knee (px 0.81, pz 1.82 / sz_bot 1.83 [MOE 1.75]), the call was correct.

 

That's Gil's calculations.  (Not a slam to Gil) ..... but ..... the UEFL's judgement isn't necessarily "the word"

JaxRolo

JaxRolo

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looks pretty wide, ....would like to see the grid on that ......

Replays indicate the pitch was located over the outer edge of home plate and at the hollow of the knee (px 0.81, pz 1.82 / sz_bot 1.83 [MOE 1.75]), the call was correct.

 

That's Gil's calculations.  (Not a slam to Gil) ..... but ..... the UEFL's judgement isn't necessarily "the word"

 

What do you base your calculation on?  :stir

Thunderheads

Thunderheads

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looks pretty wide, ....would like to see the grid on that ......

Replays indicate the pitch was located over the outer edge of home plate and at the hollow of the knee (px 0.81, pz 1.82 / sz_bot 1.83 [MOE 1.75]), the call was correct.

 

That's Gil's calculations.  (Not a slam to Gil) ..... but ..... the UEFL's judgement isn't necessarily "the word"

 

What do you base your calculation on?  :stir

 

I'm not, ...I said (if you read it) that I'd like to see the 'grid' on that .... from (I can't remember the name) ...Brooksbaseball? I think? :shrug:

JaxRolo

JaxRolo

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looks pretty wide, ....would like to see the grid on that ......

Replays indicate the pitch was located over the outer edge of home plate and at the hollow of the knee (px 0.81, pz 1.82 / sz_bot 1.83 [MOE 1.75]), the call was correct.

 

That's Gil's calculations.  (Not a slam to Gil) ..... but ..... the UEFL's judgement isn't necessarily "the word"

 

What do you base your calculation on?  :stir

 

I'm not, ...I said (if you read it) that I'd like to see the 'grid' on that .... from (I can't remember the name) ...Brooksbaseball? I think? :shrug:

 

By my calculations:

bba46479d07af61b6e596219ce4e2cd5.png= Strike!
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JaxRolo

JaxRolo

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numlocation.php-pitchSel=488674&game=gid

Well, .... the last one shows a strike ............

 

Yes but if you use the oval strike zone some on here talk about, then it is not a strike!

Thunderheads

Thunderheads

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numlocation.php-pitchSel=488674&game=gid

Well, .... the last one shows a strike ............

 

Yes but if you use the oval strike zone some on here talk about, then it is not a strike!

 

Which one is it Rolando? :wave:

JaxRolo

JaxRolo

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numlocation.php-pitchSel=488674&game=gid

Well, .... the last one shows a strike ............

 

Yes but if you use the oval strike zone some on here talk about, then it is not a strike!

 

Which one is it Rolando? :wave:

 

I'll let you decide then my answer will be the opposite of what you say! :wave:

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umpstu

umpstu

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looks pretty wide, ....would like to see the grid on that ......

Replays indicate the pitch was located over the outer edge of home plate and at the hollow of the knee (px 0.81, pz 1.82 / sz_bot 1.83 [MOE 1.75]), the call was correct.

 

That's Gil's calculations.  (Not a slam to Gil) ..... but ..... the UEFL's judgement isn't necessarily "the word"

 

What do you base your calculation on?  :stir

 

I'm not, ...I said (if you read it) that I'd like to see the 'grid' on that .... from (I can't remember the name) ...Brooksbaseball? I think? :shrug:

 

By my calculations:

bba46479d07af61b6e596219ce4e2cd5.png= Strike!

 

He's right, Thunderheads. It's all ball bearings nowadays. 

Thunderheads

Thunderheads

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looks pretty wide, ....would like to see the grid on that ......

Replays indicate the pitch was located over the outer edge of home plate and at the hollow of the knee (px 0.81, pz 1.82 / sz_bot 1.83 [MOE 1.75]), the call was correct.

 

That's Gil's calculations.  (Not a slam to Gil) ..... but ..... the UEFL's judgement isn't necessarily "the word"

 

What do you base your calculation on?  :stir

 

I'm not, ...I said (if you read it) that I'd like to see the 'grid' on that .... from (I can't remember the name) ...Brooksbaseball? I think? :shrug:

 

By my calculations:

bba46479d07af61b6e596219ce4e2cd5.png= Strike!

 

He's right, Thunderheads. It's all ball bearings nowadays. 

 

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JaxRolo

JaxRolo

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Let me simplify it for you

X=Strike

Only in bowling.

 

Nice! You got me on that one! :smachhead:

umpstu

umpstu

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looks pretty wide, ....would like to see the grid on that ......

Replays indicate the pitch was located over the outer edge of home plate and at the hollow of the knee (px 0.81, pz 1.82 / sz_bot 1.83 [MOE 1.75]), the call was correct.

 

That's Gil's calculations.  (Not a slam to Gil) ..... but ..... the UEFL's judgement isn't necessarily "the word"

 

What do you base your calculation on?  :stir

 

I'm not, ...I said (if you read it) that I'd like to see the 'grid' on that .... from (I can't remember the name) ...Brooksbaseball? I think? :shrug:

 

By my calculations:

bba46479d07af61b6e596219ce4e2cd5.png= Strike!

 

He's right, Thunderheads. It's all ball bearings nowadays. 

 

 

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

grayhawk

grayhawk

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Jeff, the "grid" uses the data that Gil references to graphically show pitch location. I believe Gil uses the raw data because it better accounts for the "correctness" of a call based on MLB criteria.

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afaber12

afaber12

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By my calculations:

bba46479d07af61b6e596219ce4e2cd5.png= Strike!

Maybe, but I don't see what quadratic equations have to do with it...

 

Quadratic equations are used to describe parabolic curves. The field of projectile motion is largely based on parabolic curves, and each time a baseball is thrown or hit it follows a parabolic curve, of the form y=ax2+bx+c where a is a negative number between 0 and -1. (The negative means it reaches a peak instead of dropping to a trough, and the closer to 0 it is the closer to a flat line the path is; if a normal fly ball to center has a=-1/4, a line drive to an outfielder is probably a=-1/1024, and a line drive comebacker to the pitcher is probably a=-1/1048576.)

 

The equation posted is used to determine where a given quadratic intersects with the y-axis. (For what values of x (there'll either be two, one or zero such values), when substitued into the quadratic give y=0.) Theoretically the path of the ball could be tracked, determine the correct quadratic equation to describe the path, and using a y-axis in line with the bottom of the strike zone determine where such a quadratic would intersect with the axis and translate that result into a position relative to home plate. The process could be repeated for the top of the strike zone, and combine the results of both analyses to determine whether or not the height of the pitch as it crossed the plate was consistent with a called strike. Obviously this analysis would not be sufficient to definitively call a strike as the it doesn't show whether the pitch crossed home plate at all and if it did whether it did so at an appropriate height, though it would potentially eliminate a pitch from being a strike.

 

Or you could just look at the pitch and see if it went through the zone. Seems a lot simpler to me. :)

JaxRolo

JaxRolo

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By my calculations:

bba46479d07af61b6e596219ce4e2cd5.png= Strike!

Maybe, but I don't see what quadratic equations have to do with it...

Quadratic equations are used to describe parabolic curves. The field of projectile motion is largely based on parabolic curves, and each time a baseball is thrown or hit it follows a parabolic curve, of the form y=ax2+bx+c where a is a negative number between 0 and -1. (The negative means it reaches a peak instead of dropping to a trough, and the closer to 0 it is the closer to a flat line the path is; if a normal fly ball to center has a=-1/4, a line drive to an outfielder is probably a=-1/1024, and a line drive comebacker to the pitcher is probably a=-1/1048576.)

The equation posted is used to determine where a given quadratic intersects with the y-axis. (For what values of x (there'll either be two, one or zero such values), when substitued into the quadratic give y=0.) Theoretically the path of the ball could be tracked, determine the correct quadratic equation to describe the path, and using a y-axis in line with the bottom of the strike zone determine where such a quadratic would intersect with the axis and translate that result into a position relative to home plate. The process could be repeated for the top of the strike zone, and combine the results of both analyses to determine whether or not the height of the pitch as it crossed the plate was consistent with a called strike. Obviously this analysis would not be sufficient to definitively call a strike as the it doesn't show whether the pitch crossed home plate at all and if it did whether it did so at an appropriate height, though it would potentially eliminate a pitch from being a strike.

Or you could just look at the pitch and see if it went through the zone. Seems a lot simpler to me. :)

so you saying I am correct?
afaber12

afaber12

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By my calculations:

bba46479d07af61b6e596219ce4e2cd5.png= Strike!

Maybe, but I don't see what quadratic equations have to do with it...

 

Quadratic equations are used to describe parabolic curves. The field of projectile motion is largely based on parabolic curves, and each time a baseball is thrown or hit it follows a parabolic curve, of the form y=ax2+bx+c where a is a negative number between 0 and -1. (The negative means it reaches a peak instead of dropping to a trough, and the closer to 0 it is the closer to a flat line the path is; if a normal fly ball to center has a=-1/4, a line drive to an outfielder is probably a=-1/1024, and a line drive comebacker to the pitcher is probably a=-1/1048576.)

The equation posted is used to determine where a given quadratic intersects with the y-axis. (For what values of x (there'll either be two, one or zero such values), when substitued into the quadratic give y=0.) Theoretically the path of the ball could be tracked, determine the correct quadratic equation to describe the path, and using a y-axis in line with the bottom of the strike zone determine where such a quadratic would intersect with the axis and translate that result into a position relative to home plate. The process could be repeated for the top of the strike zone, and combine the results of both analyses to determine whether or not the height of the pitch as it crossed the plate was consistent with a called strike. Obviously this analysis would not be sufficient to definitively call a strike as the it doesn't show whether the pitch crossed home plate at all and if it did whether it did so at an appropriate height, though it would potentially eliminate a pitch from being a strike.

Or you could just look at the pitch and see if it went through the zone. Seems a lot simpler to me. :)

 

so you saying I am correct?

 

There's an infinite number of possibilities for each variable in that equation, but only some would be correct. As proven in The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy (HHGG): any finite number divided by (3 times) infinity equals zero.

 

Unfortunately that means your wrong. To paraphrase HHGG, ten out of ten for effort, but minus several million for execution.

 

Sorry. :violin:  :unsure:

DVA7130

DVA7130

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numlocation.php-pitchSel=488674&game=gid

Well, .... the last one shows a strike ............

Yes but if you use the oval strike zone some on here talk about, then it is not a strike!

The oval strike zone includes that entire box plus a little more up and down as you get closer to the center of the plate.

JaxRolo

JaxRolo

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numlocation.php-pitchSel=488674&game=gid
Well, .... the last one shows a strike ............
Yes but if you use the oval strike zone some on here talk about, then it is not a strike!

The oval strike zone includes that entire box plus a little more up and down as you get closer to the center of the plate.

I always hear people say they don't call the corners at higher levels.

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