Officiating trainwreck to end UW-ASU game.

[flastyle727]

 

Either way you still have to spot the ball. If you don't feel it should be penalized, simply stop the clock so you can sort out the situation.

 

That's not a mechanic at any level and would unfairly advantage the offense. And, there's nothing to sort out.

 

Look, you don't like how it was handled because your team lost. Fine, I get that. But the crew did fine under the circumstances, and you're wrong to blame them for the loss. You don't change mechanics because something unusual happens.

 

 

I agree with you on this. What I do disagree with is the Delay of Game penalty or the lack of control for the last 18 seconds, to include the U not setting the ball and holding "the stop sign" as the clock expired.

 

Bottom line: Wisconsin lost because they poorly executed the play, not to mention, they should have kicked the FG instead of running an additional play.  The officials did not create the loss, they just didn't perform well during the final 18 seconds and have been penalized as such by the PAC 12

[hbk314]

 

 

Either way you still have to spot the ball. If you don't feel it should be penalized, simply stop the clock so you can sort out the situation.

 

That's not a mechanic at any level and would unfairly advantage the offense. And, there's nothing to sort out.

 

Look, you don't like how it was handled because your team lost. Fine, I get that. But the crew did fine under the circumstances, and you're wrong to blame them for the loss. You don't change mechanics because something unusual happens.

 

 

I agree with you on this. What I do disagree with is the Delay of Game penalty or the lack of control for the last 18 seconds, to include the U not setting the ball and holding "the stop sign" as the clock expired.

 

Bottom line: Wisconsin lost because they poorly executed the play, not to mention, they should have kicked the FG instead of running an additional play.  The officials did not create the loss, they just didn't perform well during the final 18 seconds and have been penalized as such by the PAC 12

 

 

No. Wisconsin executed just fine. They kneeldown was over with 15 seconds left on the clock. The officials failed to spot the ball before the clock hit zero. Wisconsin was ready to spike it with 10 seconds left. 18 seconds is more than enough time to center the ball and spike, barring the officiating meltdown that happened.

 

The fact the the Badgers were unable to attempt a field goal is entirely on the officiating crew.

[flastyle727]

 

 

Either way you still have to spot the ball. If you don't feel it should be penalized, simply stop the clock so you can sort out the situation.

 

That's not a mechanic at any level and would unfairly advantage the offense. And, there's nothing to sort out.

 

Look, you don't like how it was handled because your team lost. Fine, I get that. But the crew did fine under the circumstances, and you're wrong to blame them for the loss. You don't change mechanics because something unusual happens.

 

 

I agree with you on this. What I do disagree with is the Delay of Game penalty or the lack of control for the last 18 seconds, to include the U not setting the ball and holding "the stop sign" as the clock expired.

 

Bottom line: Wisconsin lost because they poorly executed the play, not to mention, they should have kicked the FG instead of running an additional play.  The officials did not create the loss, they just didn't perform well during the final 18 seconds and have been penalized as such by the PAC 12

 

 

No. Wisconsin executed just fine. They kneeldown was over with 15 seconds left on the clock. The officials failed to spot the ball before the clock hit zero. Wisconsin was ready to spike it with 10 seconds left. 18 seconds is more than enough time to center the ball and spike, barring the officiating meltdown that happened.

 

The fact the the Badgers were unable to attempt a field goal is entirely on the officiating crew.

What about the 100+ plays that the officials were correct on? I assume it was the officials fault ASU scored or stopped Wisc from scoring during the other 100+ plays. The only thing the officials failed to do has been mentioned several times.

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[mstaylor]

 

 

 

Either way you still have to spot the ball. If you don't feel it should be penalized, simply stop the clock so you can sort out the situation.

 

That's not a mechanic at any level and would unfairly advantage the offense. And, there's nothing to sort out.

 

Look, you don't like how it was handled because your team lost. Fine, I get that. But the crew did fine under the circumstances, and you're wrong to blame them for the loss. You don't change mechanics because something unusual happens.

 

 

I agree with you on this. What I do disagree with is the Delay of Game penalty or the lack of control for the last 18 seconds, to include the U not setting the ball and holding "the stop sign" as the clock expired.

 

Bottom line: Wisconsin lost because they poorly executed the play, not to mention, they should have kicked the FG instead of running an additional play.  The officials did not create the loss, they just didn't perform well during the final 18 seconds and have been penalized as such by the PAC 12

 

 

No. Wisconsin executed just fine. They kneeldown was over with 15 seconds left on the clock. The officials failed to spot the ball before the clock hit zero. Wisconsin was ready to spike it with 10 seconds left. 18 seconds is more than enough time to center the ball and spike, barring the officiating meltdown that happened.

 

The fact the the Badgers were unable to attempt a field goal is entirely on the officiating crew.

 

You evidently are such a fan that you can't see the light. The QB said he screwed up and will do differently from now on. The WI QB learned that if you are going to take a knee, do exactly that, leave no doubt. Once down, hand the ball to the umpire, he is the guy spotting it. DO NOT LAY IT ON THE GROUND! Get your team rallied and lined up, make the officials aware you are trying to align, not mill aimlessly, show some urgency. 

Better yet, maybe the coaching staff learned to just kick the damn field goal. The ball was on the 15, that's a chip shot, even in college. So I have a question, you wanted the officials sanctioned for the horribly unprofessional handling of the last fifteen seconds, Does the same apply to the WI coaching staff? Apparently they didn't teach their offense how to handle the situation. They don't trust their kicker. They didn't teach their QB how to handle his team or communicate with the refs. They didn't teach him to call two plays in the huddle. 

See how ridiculous that position is. If they were going to sanction anybody then sanction the White Hat. However, as any experienced official knows, surprise is our enemy. The way the QB downed the ball was weird. It created surprise and confusion, which lead to the officials taking too long and the clock running out.  

[scrounge]

 

By not handing the ball to an official, and thereby creating sufficient confusion to allow B to jump on the ball and not be liable for DOG or UNS. maven

 

Maven your wrong this time, it is not the players job to hand the ball to an official. It is beneficial, I concur. However there are NUMEROUS times throught a game that I turn to the ball boy and say "give me a new one" because the other ball is in the opposite side zone or bouncing away on an incomplete pass.  The officials should have handled the situation better, period.  

 

 

But when you do something goofy like a half-knee that kinda looks like no knee and it's very reasonable for the defense to think it's a fumble? Yea, it is kind of your job, at least if you don't want to risk a few moments of "WTF just happened?" and a delay in a situation when you're COUNTING on no delay and everything and everyone acting perfectly and quickly. Yes, the officials should have handled the situation better, but Wisc shares a great deal of the blame for creating a confusing situation with a razor-thin time margin, period.

[CentralOhioUmp30]

 

 

 

Either way you still have to spot the ball. If you don't feel it should be penalized, simply stop the clock so you can sort out the situation.

 

That's not a mechanic at any level and would unfairly advantage the offense. And, there's nothing to sort out.

 

Look, you don't like how it was handled because your team lost. Fine, I get that. But the crew did fine under the circumstances, and you're wrong to blame them for the loss. You don't change mechanics because something unusual happens.

 

 

 

I agree with you on this. What I do disagree with is the Delay of Game penalty or the lack of control for the last 18 seconds, to include the U not setting the ball and holding "the stop sign" as the clock expired.

 

Bottom line: Wisconsin lost because they poorly executed the play, not to mention, they should have kicked the FG instead of running an additional play.  The officials did not create the loss, they just didn't perform well during the final 18 seconds and have been penalized as such by the PAC 12

 

 

 

No. Wisconsin executed just fine. They kneeldown was over with 15 seconds left on the clock. The officials failed to spot the ball before the clock hit zero. Wisconsin was ready to spike it with 10 seconds left. 18 seconds is more than enough time to center the ball and spike, barring the officiating meltdown that happened.

 

The fact the the Badgers were unable to attempt a field goal is entirely on the officiating crew.

What about the 100+ plays that the officials were correct on? I assume it was the officials fault ASU scored or stopped Wisc from scoring during the other 100+ plays. The only thing the officials failed to do has been mentioned several times.

 

 

99.9% of the time I would agree with this.  However, when a team snaps the ball with 18 seconds left with the sole intention of running a couple yards to the left and doesn't get an opportunity to run another play, I have to question it.  I am still confused why the official was standing over the ball preventing Wisconsin from snapping it.  Did Wisconsin make a substitution I'm unaware of?

[flastyle727]

The U stands over the ball until the R readies the ball for play.

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[RichMSN]

On two forums, hbk314 has posted AD NAUSEUM about this.  I just wonder why he CARES so much.

 

I was somewhere over the Atlantic when this play happened and I'm flying back from the UK in the morning.  Thankfully, I was out of town when all of this happened.

[CentralOhioUmp30]

The U stands over the ball until the R readies the ball for play.

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So even though the clock is running during a critical part of the game, the umpire just stands over it?  How is it any different than a team that's trying to run a play in the  no-huddle offense?

 

Just don't understand how the game can be held up in that situation without the clock stopping.

 

Definitely not a football official, but I've seen A LOT of football and I don't remember something like this happening so late in a game.

[flastyle727]

The U spots the ball and moves to his position on the ready whistle, obviously the time here was the problem and the crew was sanctioned. No huddle is fun as a U...it sucks actually. Watch this Clemson game, the U sets the tempo, watch it and you'll see it every play.

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[hbk314]

On two forums, hbk314 has posted AD NAUSEUM about this.  I just wonder why he CARES so much.

 

I was somewhere over the Atlantic when this play happened and I'm flying back from the UK in the morning.  Thankfully, I was out of town when all of this happened.

 

So?

 

It was that bad.

 

Would I have been as aggressive with it if different teams had been involved? Probably not. But I was watching live when it happened because of the teams involved.

[RichMSN]

Sorry, it's still just a game.

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[mstaylor]

 

On two forums, hbk314 has posted AD NAUSEUM about this.  I just wonder why he CARES so much.

 

I was somewhere over the Atlantic when this play happened and I'm flying back from the UK in the morning.  Thankfully, I was out of town when all of this happened.

 

 

So?

 

It was that bad.

 

Would I have been as aggressive with it if different teams had been involved? Probably not. But I was watching live when it happened because of the teams involved.

I have only stayed with because you just don't seem able to even entertain the possibility that WI has some blame in the fiasco. You are adamant that it was all the officials. In actuality it was a combination.

 

[CentralOhioUmp30]

Sorry, it's still just a game.

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Sorry, big-time college football and basketball is a multi-billion dollar industry.  These "games" affect careers and lives of athletes, coaches, athletic staff and athletic administrators.  Universities rely on these "games" to meet their financial responsibilities for every other sport under their purview.  Not to mention another multi-billion dollar industry (gambling) that relies on the officials to manage the games in the same effective manner required of those who play in those games.

 

"Just a game" is fine for little Johnny playing tee-ball at the local rec center, but once you hit high school, it gets pretty serious and it shouldn't be a mystery why.

[flastyle727]

It's over. Officials were sanctioned, tell Wisconsin too play better defense this week.

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[CentralOhioUmp30]

I hope they play the worst defense man has ever seen next week.

[mstaylor]

I hope they play the worst defense man has ever seen next week.

And I am in the position to not care one way or the other.  

[CentralOhioUmp30]

 

I hope they play the worst defense man has ever seen next week.

And I am in the position to not care one way or the other.  

 

I see you're located in Maryland.  Maryland is closer to Ohio than it is to Wisconsin.  That means you agree with me. 

[hbk314]

 

 

On two forums, hbk314 has posted AD NAUSEUM about this.  I just wonder why he CARES so much.

 

I was somewhere over the Atlantic when this play happened and I'm flying back from the UK in the morning.  Thankfully, I was out of town when all of this happened.

 

 

So?

 

It was that bad.

 

Would I have been as aggressive with it if different teams had been involved? Probably not. But I was watching live when it happened because of the teams involved.

I have only stayed with because you just don't seem able to even entertain the possibility that WI has some blame in the fiasco. You are adamant that it was all the officials. In actuality it was a combination.

 

 

Would it have gone more smoothly if the Wisconsin QB had handed the ball to an official? Almost certainly.

 

That doesn't at all absolve the officials of blame. They're still entirely responsible.

[johnnyg08]

On two forums, hbk314 has posted AD NAUSEUM about this.  I just wonder why he CARES so much.

Sports betting will do that to a guy #justaguess

[UMP45]

 

 

 

On two forums, hbk314 has posted AD NAUSEUM about this.  I just wonder why he CARES so much.

 

I was somewhere over the Atlantic when this play happened and I'm flying back from the UK in the morning.  Thankfully, I was out of town when all of this happened.

 

 

So?

 

It was that bad.

 

Would I have been as aggressive with it if different teams had been involved? Probably not. But I was watching live when it happened because of the teams involved.

I have only stayed with because you just don't seem able to even entertain the possibility that WI has some blame in the fiasco. You are adamant that it was all the officials. In actuality it was a combination.

 

 

Would it have gone more smoothly if the Wisconsin QB had handed the ball to an official? Almost certainly.

 

That doesn't at all absolve the officials of blame. They're still entirely responsible.

 

Who cares?      

[johnnyg08]

but once you hit high school, it gets pretty serious and it shouldn't be a mystery why.

I would say that collegiate athletics should be taken pretty serious. Often times for the coach that is their full time job. They coach to feed their families.

I'm going to guess that maybe 90% or greater high school athletes stop playing sports when they graduate high school. #itsstilljustagame

This thread has run its course.

[hbk314]

On two forums, hbk314 has posted AD NAUSEUM about this.  I just wonder why he CARES so much.

Sports betting will do that to a guy #justaguess

Nope.

[Replacematt]

 

 

 

Either way you still have to spot the ball. If you don't feel it should be penalized, simply stop the clock so you can sort out the situation.

 

That's not a mechanic at any level and would unfairly advantage the offense. And, there's nothing to sort out.

 

Look, you don't like how it was handled because your team lost. Fine, I get that. But the crew did fine under the circumstances, and you're wrong to blame them for the loss. You don't change mechanics because something unusual happens.

 

 

 

I agree with you on this. What I do disagree with is the Delay of Game penalty or the lack of control for the last 18 seconds, to include the U not setting the ball and holding "the stop sign" as the clock expired.

 

Bottom line: Wisconsin lost because they poorly executed the play, not to mention, they should have kicked the FG instead of running an additional play.  The officials did not create the loss, they just didn't perform well during the final 18 seconds and have been penalized as such by the PAC 12

 

 

 

No. Wisconsin executed just fine. They kneeldown was over with 15 seconds left on the clock. The officials failed to spot the ball before the clock hit zero. Wisconsin was ready to spike it with 10 seconds left. 18 seconds is more than enough time to center the ball and spike, barring the officiating meltdown that happened.

 

The fact the the Badgers were unable to attempt a field goal is entirely on the officiating crew.

What about the 100+ plays that the officials were correct on? I assume it was the officials fault ASU scored or stopped Wisc from scoring during the other 100+ plays. The only thing the officials failed to do has been mentioned several times.

 

 

I don't think the number was that high. This was one of, if not the, most poorly-officiated game I've seen at the D-1 level in my life. They were way over their heads. I can think of no fewer than 4 blatant and/or egregious errors, and I stopped watching halfway through the 4th.