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zoops

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If a ball gets stuck in ivy, is the proper method to run out and check to make sure it is stuck, then kill it?  Or if you see the ball bounce in and disappear, fielder throws hands up, is it ok to kill it there?

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JaxRolo
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I would plant Poison Ivy and make the coaches go search for the ball!

johnnyg08
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In many cases running out there is OOO in my opinion. If I can't see the ball from my position and the fielder puts his hands up, I'm killing it almost all of the time. Because if I can't see it, nob

maven
maven

Oh, sure, then how are we supposed to make our confines friendly?

mstaylor

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Go out and take a look, be aware where the runners were when it went in. That way once you verify that it is stuck then you place runners.<br /><br />Sent from my C771 using Tapatalk 2<br /><br />

johnnyg08

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In many cases running out there is OOO in my opinion.

If I can't see the ball from my position and the fielder puts his hands up, I'm killing it almost all of the time. Because if I can't see it, nobody else can either from back where I'm located.

Keep it simple and don't make the call tougher than it needs to be.

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UMP45

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In many cases running out there is OOO in my opinion.

If I can't see the ball from my position and the fielder puts his hands up, I'm killing it almost all of the time. Because if I can't see it, nobody else can either from back where I'm located.

Keep it simple and don't make the call tougher than it needs to be.

You are setting yourself up for trouble if you do it this way. 

maven

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"ground rule double," correct?
I'm guessing from your use of scare quotes that this is properly a 2 base award from TOP. :)
In many cases running out there is OOO in my opinion. If I can't see the ball from my position and the fielder puts his hands up, I'm killing it almost all of the time. Because if I can't see it, nobody else can either from back where I'm located. Keep it simple and don't make the call tougher than it needs to be.
You are setting yourself up for trouble if you do it this way. Agree. And it looks lazy to boot.
BigUmpire

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In many cases running out there is OOO in my opinion.

If I can't see the ball from my position and the fielder puts his hands up, I'm killing it almost all of the time. Because if I can't see it, nobody else can either from back where I'm located.

Keep it simple and don't make the call tougher than it needs to be.

You are setting yourself up for trouble if you do it this way. 

 

I got nailed that way one time by a smart outfielder.

carolinablue

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Well, I'm used to dealing with holes in a fence and a ball going under or getting stuck and the only field I know off that has ivy is Wrigley and I'm not going to be working there anytime so I guess for me the question is does the ball actually have to be stuck or invisible, or does it  just have to go into the ivy? The rule says, if the ball goes through or under shrubbery or vines on a fence. So it kind of sounds like if it goes in it's dead, and I can see Johhny's point if that's the case.

carolinablue

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1st video answers my question above. The ball goes in and comes out and remains live.

 

2nd video shows umpire calling time after it seems a delay. It appears he was somewhere in the outfield when he called time but may have been going out anyway, a four man crew has some advantages.

 

Which brings me to my next point: Don't plant ivy on a baseball field.

maven

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Which brings me to my next point: Don't plant ivy on a baseball field.

Oh, sure, then how are we supposed to make our confines friendly?

:P

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JaxRolo

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I would plant Poison Ivy and make the coaches go search for the ball!

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carolinablue

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Which brings me to my next point: Don't plant ivy on a baseball field.

Oh, sure, then how are we supposed to make our confines friendly?

:P

 

 

Not winning a Worlds Series in more than 100 years helps. :fuel:

 

 

BTW, the like a gave on the post about it looking lazy was inadvertant. :smachhead:  Not agreeing or disagreeing, what ever works for the individual.  The second one was intentional. :)

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maven

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Which brings me to my next point: Don't plant ivy on a baseball field.

Oh, sure, then how are we supposed to make our confines friendly?

:P

 

 

Not winning a Worlds Series in more than 100 years helps. :fuel:

 

 

BTW, the like a gave on the post about it looking lazy was inadvertant. :smachhead:  Not agreeing or disagreeing, what ever works for the individual.  The second one was intentional. :)

 

 

So in your book, calling the confines "friendly" is a euphemism for "crappy"? Just don't tell @UmpJM.

 

If you "unlike" (or "stop liking" or whatever) that post, I won't be offended. :)

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zoops

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One issue I've seen at our field is that some umpires kill it immediately, so some of the kids get somewhat trained to go digging for it after a couple seconds of having their hands up.  So, if you were to not kill it and be running out there and the kid starts digging the ball out, the runners should be allowed to keep running and the ball remains live like nothing happened, correct.  

noumpere

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One issue I've seen at our field is that some umpires kill it immediately, so some of the kids get somewhat trained to go digging for it after a couple seconds of having their hands up.  So, if you were to not kill it and be running out there and the kid starts digging the ball out, the runners should be allowed to keep running and the ball remains live like nothing happened, correct.  

Not correct.  Once you see that its lodged, then its dead.  If he gets the ball before you can see that it was lodged then its live.   Or if you think he took the ball and "lodged" it then it's two from the time of "lodging".  Holding the hands up just tells you that he didn't do the latter.

carolinablue

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Which brings me to my next point: Don't plant ivy on a baseball field.

Oh, sure, then how are we supposed to make our confines friendly?

:P

 

 

Not winning a Worlds Series in more than 100 years helps. :fuel:

 

 

BTW, the like a gave on the post about it looking lazy was inadvertant. :smachhead:  Not agreeing or disagreeing, what ever works for the individual.  The second one was intentional. :)

 

 

So in your book, calling the confines "friendly" is a euphemism for "crappy"? Just don't tell @UmpJM.

 

If you "unlike" (or "stop liking" or whatever) that post, I won't be offended. :)

 

 

 

Never even noticed there was an unlike " button ". I'll leave this thread now before i remove any more doubt, :blush:

BigUmp56

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Agree. And it looks lazy to boot.

disagree. YMMV.

The first time you have a smart fielder convince you to kill it without taking a look , then reach down and pick the ball up as it lays just rolled up against the fence, ivy, bush, or whatever, you might change your mind. It's our job to take a look. Not doing so is poor umpiring, and I know you're not a poor umpire, Johnny.

Tim.

BigUmpire

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Agree. And it looks lazy to boot.

disagree. YMMV.

The first time you have a smart fielder convince you to kill it without taking a look , then reach down and pick the ball up as it lays just rolled up against the fence, ivy, bush, or whatever, you might change your mind. It's our job to take a look. Not doing so is poor umpiring, and I know you're not a poor umpire, Johnny.

Tim.

 

This exact thing happened to me.

BigUmpire

BigUmpire

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I am always early to an assignment.

I walk the field down and all of the fences.

I know where the holes are AND I point them out to the coaches at the plate meeting.

If there is omething else, Ivy, trees, groundhog holes, land mines etc , I let them and my partner know I will be on the way out on balls that I think may get end up around these " problems".

 

Get ahead of problems, don't react to them.

 

Been burned before as I watched a player stuff a ball under a fence.

Wonder how a 12 year old knew how to do that?

MadMax

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I'm not arguing with you, Big... I can see this easily being done by the BU with runners on any base, but with bases empty... 

 

Does the BU abandon his pivot and taking of the BR, or... hell, I'm not even going to complete the question, because the PU going out there is pretty much unfeasible. So how does this work?

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