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noumpere
noumpere

ha ha ha .  Thatnks for the laugh   (and I don't say that to be mean -- just that its what lots of players think when they become umpires -- and mirrors a converstation I was having with one young u

JaxRolo
JaxRolo

1. "Continuous motion" may very well have been violated. Then again, it may very well have not been.   2. Taking a hand off the ball only applies after the pitcher has "come set".   3. He didn't a

mstaylor
mstaylor

And that honesty is great. Being here shows you are interested in learning. Game awareness is very important and can help you stay out of some stupid situations simply by making you aware of what they

NFUA_44

NFUA_44

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Before he has come set I got:

Nothing, Nada, Zip

 

After he has come set I got:

That's a Balk!  Start and Stop

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spiritump

spiritump

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For the record, both my partner and I had nothing.

 

I had never seen it before, so it did make me hesitate.

 

both you and your partner need to look up pitcher violations

BalkHawk

BalkHawk

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The pitcher is required to come set with a smooth, continuous motion. [8.01b]

As long as this bobble happens relatively smoothly, like in the OP, there's no balk. The discerning umpire will also recognize that there is zero advantage to be gained, and do everything he can to let it slide, IMO.

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CentralOhioUmp30

CentralOhioUmp30

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For the record, both my partner and I had nothing.

 

I had never seen it before, so it did make me hesitate.

 

both you and your partner need to look up pitcher violations

 

You seem like a class act, Spirit.  :sarcasm:

24sdad

24sdad

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Since neither of the guys who claim this is a balk have stated why, I am going to guess it is based on F1 failing to come set "without interruption and in one continuous motion." OP does not go into great detail as to what F1 did to regain control of the ball, how far the ball traveled, etc, but it would seem logical he must have "interrupted" and/or "altered" his stretch motion somewhat to secure the errant ball.  I am sure he was just as surprised as both umpires.  Also, when the ball was out of F1's possession, if the ball descended at all, it is by definition "dropped."

 

Would be interested in JM's thoughts on this.

noumpere

noumpere

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Failing to come set in one motion.

 

Taking a hand off the ball

 

Dropping the ball.

 

At least as Im invisioning the play I think Id have a balk.

 

The real reason though -- it just looks weird.  lol.

UmpJM

UmpJM

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Failing to come set in one motion.

 

Taking a hand off the ball

 

Dropping the ball.

 

At least as Im invisioning the play I think Id have a balk.

 

The real reason though -- it just looks weird.  lol.

 

1. "Continuous motion" may very well have been violated. Then again, it may very well have not been.

 

2. Taking a hand off the ball only applies after the pitcher has "come set".

 

3. He didn't actually drop the ball.

 

You easily COULD  have a balk on this, but, then again, it could happen without the pitcher balking.

 

There is no balk proscription against "looking weird".

 

JM

JaxRolo

JaxRolo

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Failing to come set in one motion.

 

Taking a hand off the ball

 

Dropping the ball.

 

At least as Im invisioning the play I think Id have a balk.

 

The real reason though -- it just looks weird.  lol.

 

1. "Continuous motion" may very well have been violated. Then again, it may very well have not been.

 

2. Taking a hand off the ball only applies after the pitcher has "come set".

 

3. He didn't actually drop the ball.

 

You easily COULD  have a balk on this, but, then again, it could happen without the pitcher balking.

 

There is no balk proscription against "looking weird".

 

JM

If there was Jocko's nickname would be Balk. :no:

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CentralOhioUmp30

CentralOhioUmp30

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I get the "if it looks weird, call it" adage.  However, this was a JV game (big suburb school vs. small Christian school)  that had gotten out of hand quickly (home team up 15-0 in top of 4), so we were just trying to get the game over with.

 

I don't know how you guys handle those situations, but for me, in blowouts, I'm a little more lenient to balks or general things that aren't giving a team an advantage.  In Varsity games I won't let that stuff go, but I don't think you can treat bad JV and Freshman games the same way.

 

This was a freak thing that happened, but I like this site because I can ask a question like this and be better prepared for future games.  Thanks guys.

Mike Prince

Mike Prince

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Failing to come set in one motion.

 

Taking a hand off the ball

 

Dropping the ball.

 

At least as Im invisioning the play I think Id have a balk.

 

The real reason though -- it just looks weird.  lol.

 

1. "Continuous motion" may very well have been violated. Then again, it may very well have not been.

 

2. Taking a hand off the ball only applies after the pitcher has "come set".

 

3. He didn't actually drop the ball.

 

You easily COULD  have a balk on this, but, then again, it could happen without the pitcher balking.

 

There is no balk proscription against "looking weird".

 

JM

If there was Jocko's nickname would be Balk. :no:

 

Elephant Balk?  :wave:

24sdad

24sdad

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Failing to come set in one motion.

 

Taking a hand off the ball

 

Dropping the ball.

 

At least as Im invisioning the play I think Id have a balk.

 

The real reason though -- it just looks weird.  lol.

 

1. "Continuous motion" may very well have been violated. Then again, it may very well have not been.

 

2. Taking a hand off the ball only applies after the pitcher has "come set".

 

3. He didn't actually drop the ball.

 

You easily COULD  have a balk on this, but, then again, it could happen without the pitcher balking.

 

There is no balk proscription against "looking weird".

 

JM

JM, curious as to what you view as a "dropped ball?"

Thunderheads

Thunderheads

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I get the "if it looks weird, call it" adage.  However, this was a JV game (big suburb school vs. small Christian school)  that had gotten out of hand quickly (home team up 15-0 in top of 4), so we were just trying to get the game over with.

 

I don't know how you guys handle those situations, but for me, in blowouts, I'm a little more lenient to balks or general things that aren't giving a team an advantage.  In Varsity games I won't let that stuff go, but I don't think you can treat bad JV and Freshman games the same way.

 

This was a freak thing that happened, but I like this site because I can ask a question like this and be better prepared for future games.  Thanks guys.

Buckeye,

Did you get a bunch of  "BALK, that's a BALK" when it happened ???  If not, .........no worries ....

 

AGAIN....

 

HTBT ;)

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