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Pony Mustang game: R1, F1 sets and delivers, when the ball is 10 feet from HP F2 jumps up infront of the batter and takes the pitch for the steal w/one foot on HP, R1 dives back to FB..

 

I called "SAFE..! Time..!  Catchers Interference, R1 to SB, Batter to FB"  

 

I"ve looked at a couple of rules, but nothing definitively pops out..  Lookin' for help on this one.

 

Ron-

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dddunn3d
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Don't make things harder than they really are:   RULE 2.00 - INTERFERENCE   (b) Defensive interference is an act by a fielder that hinders or prevents a batter from hitting a pitch.   When the c

JaxRolo
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Finally!    I still have my hopes up I may get one!

Richvee
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in my opinion, J/R and Jimmy (and myself) are in agreement here. It seems clear that without some kind, any kind, of attempt, there can't be interference. As Jimmy says, the batter must be, "preparing

Jocko

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All I have is Fed, but here ya go. The OT coach may accept the result of the play or the obstruction. In your case, he'd surely take the obstruction. Fed 8-1-1-e-1 "Any runner attemting to advance (i.e. steal, squeeze) on a catcher's obstruction of the batter shall be awarded the base he is attempting. If a runner is not attempting to advance, he shall not be entitled to the next base, if not forced to advance because of the batter being awarded 1B. If obstruction is enforced, all other runners on the play return to base occupied at TOP. The batter is awarded 1B if he did not reach base."

Sounds like you nailed it.

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All I have is Fed, but here ya go. The OT coach may accept the result of the play or the obstruction. In your case, he'd surely take the obstruction. Fed 8-1-1-e-1 "Any runner attemting to advance (i.e. steal, squeeze) on a catcher's obstruction of the batter shall be awarded the base he is attempting. If a runner is not attempting to advance, he shall not be entitled to the next base, if not forced to advance because of the batter being awarded 1B. If obstruction is enforced, all other runners on the play return to base occupied at TOP. The batter is awarded 1B if he did not reach base."

Sounds like you nailed it.

 

now that you brought that rule up, maybe the first sentence in Fed 8-1-1-e takes full effect on the CI.  "the catcher or any other defensive player obstructs him"  

 

what about in OBR?  Oh.. and great call on the award.

 

ron-

Jocko

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Yoda or Rainman can chime in on the OBR. I'm guessing this is one is pretty much the same. I don't have OBR readily available but I think it's 7.06 or 7.07

noumpere

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All I have is Fed, but here ya go. The OT coach may accept the result of the play or the obstruction. In your case, he'd surely take the obstruction. Fed 8-1-1-e-1 "Any runner attemting to advance (i.e. steal, squeeze) on a catcher's obstruction of the batter shall be awarded the base he is attempting. If a runner is not attempting to advance, he shall not be entitled to the next base, if not forced to advance because of the batter being awarded 1B. If obstruction is enforced, all other runners on the play return to base occupied at TOP. The batter is awarded 1B if he did not reach base."

Sounds like you nailed it.

 

now that you brought that rule up, maybe the first sentence in Fed 8-1-1-e takes full effect on the CI.  "the catcher or any other defensive player obstructs him"  

 

what about in OBR?  Oh.. and great call on the award.

 

ron-

You could see the specific case 8-1-1 Situation F.  It has R2 instead of R1 but it should be easy to see the correct rule from that.

 

Under OBR, there's nothing that I know of specifically regarding reaching out or stepping over the plate except in 7.07 where there's a squeeze or steal of home.  But, I'd still call it that way (it might be in PBUC or something, but I can't recall right now)

maineump

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NCAA rule: RULE 8 / BASE RUNNING section 2

 

e. If any defensive player interferes with the batter’s swing or prevents the individual from striking at a pitched ball;


A.R.—Catcher’s interference on a batter should be called only on the batter’s actual swing to hit the pitch. If a batter, during preliminary loosening-up swings, hits the catcher or the catcher’s mitt during the backswing, the umpire immediately should call time, and not interference. The pitch or swing should not be allowed since the batter’s concentration or rhythm could be affected.


(1) If a play follows the interference, the offensive team may elect to ignore the interference and accept the play. However, if the batter reaches first base and all other runners advance at least one base, the interference is ignored.
 

(2) Any runner attempting to steal on a catcher’s interference with the batter’s swing shall be awarded the base the runner is attempting to reach.

If a runner is not attempting to steal on the catcher’s interference, the individual is not entitled to the next base, if not forced to advance because of the batter being awarded first base.

 

Pro rule Rule 6.08 to 6.09


© The catcher or any fielder interferes with him. If a play follows the interference, the manager of the offense may advise the plate umpire that he elects to decline the interference penalty and accept the play. Such election shall be made immediately at the end of the play. However, if the batter reaches first base on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batsman, or otherwise, and all other runners advance at least one base, the play proceeds without reference to the interference.

 

Rule 6.08© Comment: If catcher’s interference is called with a play in progress the umpire will allow the play to continue because the manager may elect to take the play. If the batter-runner missed first base, or a runner misses his next base, he shall be considered as having reached the base, as stated in


Note of Rule 7.04 (d).

Examples of plays the manager might elect to take:

1. Runner on third, one out, batter hits fly ball to the outfield on which the runner scores but catcher’s interference was called. The offensive manager may elect to take the run and have batter called out or have runner remain at third and batter awarded first base.

2. Runner on second base. Catcher interferes with batter as he bunts ball fairly sending runner to third base. The manager may rather have runner on third base with an out on the play than have runners on second and first.

If a runner is trying to score by a steal or squeeze from third base, note the additional penalty set forth in Rule 7.07

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If the catcher interferes with the batter before the pitcher delivers the ball, it shall not be considered interference on the batter under Rule 6.08©. In such cases, the umpire shall call “Time†and the pitcherand batter start over from “scratch.â€

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NCAA rule: RULE 8 / BASE RUNNING section 2

 

e. If any defensive player interferes with the batter’s swing or prevents the individual from striking at a pitched ball;

A.R.—Catcher’s interference on a batter should be called only on the batter’s actual swing to hit the pitch. If a batter, during preliminary loosening-up swings, hits the catcher or the catcher’s mitt during the backswing, the umpire immediately should call time, and not interference. The pitch or swing should not be allowed since the batter’s concentration or rhythm could be affected.

(1) If a play follows the interference, the offensive team may elect to ignore the interference and accept the play. However, if the batter reaches first base and all other runners advance at least one base, the interference is ignored.

 

(2) Any runner attempting to steal on a catcher’s interference with the batter’s swing shall be awarded the base the runner is attempting to reach.

If a runner is not attempting to steal on the catcher’s interference, the individual is not entitled to the next base, if not forced to advance because of the batter being awarded first base.

 

Pro rule Rule 6.08 to 6.09

© The catcher or any fielder interferes with him. If a play follows the interference, the manager of the offense may advise the plate umpire that he elects to decline the interference penalty and accept the play. Such election shall be made immediately at the end of the play. However, if the batter reaches first base on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batsman, or otherwise, and all other runners advance at least one base, the play proceeds without reference to the interference.

 

Rule 6.08© Comment: If catcher’s interference is called with a play in progress the umpire will allow the play to continue because the manager may elect to take the play. If the batter-runner missed first base, or a runner misses his next base, he shall be considered as having reached the base, as stated in

Note of Rule 7.04 (d).

Examples of plays the manager might elect to take:

1. Runner on third, one out, batter hits fly ball to the outfield on which the runner scores but catcher’s interference was called. The offensive manager may elect to take the run and have batter called out or have runner remain at third and batter awarded first base.

2. Runner on second base. Catcher interferes with batter as he bunts ball fairly sending runner to third base. The manager may rather have runner on third base with an out on the play than have runners on second and first.

If a runner is trying to score by a steal or squeeze from third base, note the additional penalty set forth in Rule 7.07

.

If the catcher interferes with the batter before the pitcher delivers the ball, it shall not be considered interference on the batter under Rule 6.08©. In such cases, the umpire shall call “Time†and the pitcher and batter start over from “scratch.â€

 

 

maineump: i see you have separated the bottom portion of OBR rule 6.08.  this was not the case.  The pitcher had delivered the ball, and the catcher jumped in-front of the batter before he had a chance to swing.  therefore this rule would not apply.

 

FED 8.1.1.F, clearly states: F2 may not catch the pitch until it as passed home plate.  and if a HS game i'da banged it perfect.  

 

is there nothing in the OBR on this CI?  if there is no case, or rule then anytime you have a R1 or R2, all the F2 would have to do is jump in-front of B3, and make the throw-down for the putout.  imho, this is not a fair play, and the batter has been interfered from being 'able' to swing (wither or not the batter swings makes no difference.  he was not given the chance to swing because F2 now has caught the ball 2 feet in-front of HP)

 

ron-

maineump

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NCAA rule: RULE 8 / BASE RUNNING section 2

 

e. If any defensive player interferes with the batter’s swing or prevents the individual from striking at a pitched ball;

A.R.—Catcher’s interference on a batter should be called only on the batter’s actual swing to hit the pitch. If a batter, during preliminary loosening-up swings, hits the catcher or the catcher’s mitt during the backswing, the umpire immediately should call time, and not interference. The pitch or swing should not be allowed since the batter’s concentration or rhythm could be affected.

(1) If a play follows the interference, the offensive team may elect to ignore the interference and accept the play. However, if the batter reaches first base and all other runners advance at least one base, the interference is ignored.

 

(2) Any runner attempting to steal on a catcher’s interference with the batter’s swing shall be awarded the base the runner is attempting to reach.

If a runner is not attempting to steal on the catcher’s interference, the individual is not entitled to the next base, if not forced to advance because of the batter being awarded first base.

 

Pro rule Rule 6.08 to 6.09

© The catcher or any fielder interferes with him. If a play follows the interference, the manager of the offense may advise the plate umpire that he elects to decline the interference penalty and accept the play. Such election shall be made immediately at the end of the play. However, if the batter reaches first base on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batsman, or otherwise, and all other runners advance at least one base, the play proceeds without reference to the interference.

 

Rule 6.08© Comment: If catcher’s interference is called with a play in progress the umpire will allow the play to continue because the manager may elect to take the play. If the batter-runner missed first base, or a runner misses his next base, he shall be considered as having reached the base, as stated in

Note of Rule 7.04 (d).

Examples of plays the manager might elect to take:

1. Runner on third, one out, batter hits fly ball to the outfield on which the runner scores but catcher’s interference was called. The offensive manager may elect to take the run and have batter called out or have runner remain at third and batter awarded first base.

2. Runner on second base. Catcher interferes with batter as he bunts ball fairly sending runner to third base. The manager may rather have runner on third base with an out on the play than have runners on second and first.

If a runner is trying to score by a steal or squeeze from third base, note the additional penalty set forth in Rule 7.07

.

If the catcher interferes with the batter before the pitcher delivers the ball, it shall not be considered interference on the batter under Rule 6.08©. In such cases, the umpire shall call “Time†and the pitcher and batter start over from “scratch.â€

 

 

maineump: i see you have separated the bottom portion of OBR rule 6.08.  this was not the case.  The pitcher had delivered the ball, and the catcher jumped in-front of the batter before he had a chance to swing.  therefore this rule would not apply.

 

FED 8.1.1.F, clearly states: F2 may not catch the pitch until it as passed home plate.  and if a HS game i'da banged it perfect.  

 

is there nothing in the OBR on this CI?  if there is no case, or rule then anytime you have a R1 or R2, all the F2 would have to do is jump in-front of B3, and make the throw-down for the putout.  imho, this is not a fair play, and the batter has been interfered from being 'able' to swing (wither or not the batter swings makes no difference.  he was not given the chance to swing because F2 now has caught the ball 2 feet in-front of HP)

 

ron-

I totally agree - I am trying to find a case play for this, but nothing yet. Basically the batter needs a chance to hit the ball, and if the catcher takes that away, then no fair. I guess we all know the intent of the rule, just stating the specific rule for the discussion with the coach?

Would this be the same intent? Not so much the squeeze, but the balk part of it?

7.07 If, with a runner on third base and trying to score by means of a squeeze play or a steal, the catcher or any other fielder steps on, or in front of home base without possession of the ball, or touches the batter or his bat, the pitcher shall be charged with a balk, the batter shall be awarded first base on the interference and the ball is dead.

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NCAA rule: RULE 8 / BASE RUNNING section 2

 

e. If any defensive player interferes with the batter’s swing or prevents the individual from striking at a pitched ball;

A.R.—Catcher’s interference on a batter should be called only on the batter’s actual swing to hit the pitch. If a batter, during preliminary loosening-up swings, hits the catcher or the catcher’s mitt during the backswing, the umpire immediately should call time, and not interference. The pitch or swing should not be allowed since the batter’s concentration or rhythm could be affected.

(1) If a play follows the interference, the offensive team may elect to ignore the interference and accept the play. However, if the batter reaches first base and all other runners advance at least one base, the interference is ignored.

 

(2) Any runner attempting to steal on a catcher’s interference with the batter’s swing shall be awarded the base the runner is attempting to reach.

If a runner is not attempting to steal on the catcher’s interference, the individual is not entitled to the next base, if not forced to advance because of the batter being awarded first base.

 

Pro rule Rule 6.08 to 6.09

© The catcher or any fielder interferes with him. If a play follows the interference, the manager of the offense may advise the plate umpire that he elects to decline the interference penalty and accept the play. Such election shall be made immediately at the end of the play. However, if the batter reaches first base on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batsman, or otherwise, and all other runners advance at least one base, the play proceeds without reference to the interference.

 

Rule 6.08© Comment: If catcher’s interference is called with a play in progress the umpire will allow the play to continue because the manager may elect to take the play. If the batter-runner missed first base, or a runner misses his next base, he shall be considered as having reached the base, as stated in

Note of Rule 7.04 (d).

Examples of plays the manager might elect to take:

1. Runner on third, one out, batter hits fly ball to the outfield on which the runner scores but catcher’s interference was called. The offensive manager may elect to take the run and have batter called out or have runner remain at third and batter awarded first base.

2. Runner on second base. Catcher interferes with batter as he bunts ball fairly sending runner to third base. The manager may rather have runner on third base with an out on the play than have runners on second and first.

If a runner is trying to score by a steal or squeeze from third base, note the additional penalty set forth in Rule 7.07

.

If the catcher interferes with the batter before the pitcher delivers the ball, it shall not be considered interference on the batter under Rule 6.08©. In such cases, the umpire shall call “Time†and the pitcher and batter start over from “scratch.â€

 

 

maineump: i see you have separated the bottom portion of OBR rule 6.08.  this was not the case.  The pitcher had delivered the ball, and the catcher jumped in-front of the batter before he had a chance to swing.  therefore this rule would not apply.

 

FED 8.1.1.F, clearly states: F2 may not catch the pitch until it as passed home plate.  and if a HS game i'da banged it perfect.  

 

is there nothing in the OBR on this CI?  if there is no case, or rule then anytime you have a R1 or R2, all the F2 would have to do is jump in-front of B3, and make the throw-down for the putout.  imho, this is not a fair play, and the batter has been interfered from being 'able' to swing (wither or not the batter swings makes no difference.  he was not given the chance to swing because F2 now has caught the ball 2 feet in-front of HP)

 

ron-

I totally agree - I am trying to find a case play for this, but nothing yet. Basically the batter needs a chance to hit the ball, and if the catcher takes that away, then no fair. I guess we all know the intent of the rule, just stating the specific rule for the discussion with the coach?

Would this be the same intent? Not so much the squeeze, but the balk part of it?

7.07 If, with a runner on third base and trying to score by means of a squeeze play or a steal, the catcher or any other fielder steps on, or in front of home base without possession of the ball, or touches the batter or his bat, the pitcher shall be charged with a balk, the batter shall be awarded first base on the interference and the ball is dead.

 

 

when looking at 7.07, the bolded portion definitely covers this. (specifically " the catcher or any other fielder steps on, or in front of home base without possession of the ball" 

 

ron-

maineump

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Thanks Ron - sometimes it is just good to get into the book and look for situations. This blog makes me check things out and either confirm my 'call' or to make the right call if I got it wrong. Better than some rules meeting IMO.

mstaylor

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This point goes back to the 7.07 thread, if the pitcher legally pitches, it has to be something. Ball/strike, balk, CI,BI something. Actually it is a balk but couldn't find a rule to support it. 

BalkHawk

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If he starts a swing, makes an effort, but in my judgement, stops his swing rather than hit the catcher, I will call INT. If he was taking the pitch, no interference.

I believe 7.07 is very specifically about squeeze plays.

dddunn3d

dddunn3d

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Don't make things harder than they really are:

 

RULE 2.00 - INTERFERENCE

 

(b) Defensive interference is an act by a fielder that hinders or prevents a batter from hitting a pitch.

 

When the catcher reaches into fair territory to glove the pitch before the ball reaches the plate, does that action "hinder or prevent a batter from hitting a pitch?"

 

I say yes.

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If he starts a swing, makes an effort, but in my judgement, stops his swing rather than hit the catcher, I will call INT. If he was taking the pitch, no interference.

I believe 7.07 is very specifically about squeeze plays.

What will you call the pitch?

johnnyg08

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NCAA rule: RULE 8 / BASE RUNNING section 2

 

e. If any defensive player interferes with the batter’s swing or prevents the individual from striking at a pitched ball;

A.R.—Catcher’s interference on a batter should be called only on the batter’s actual swing to hit the pitch. If a batter, during preliminary loosening-up swings, hits the catcher or the catcher’s mitt during the backswing, the umpire immediately should call time, and not interference. The pitch or swing should not be allowed since the batter’s concentration or rhythm could be affected.

(1) If a play follows the interference, the offensive team may elect to ignore the interference and accept the play. However, if the batter reaches first base and all other runners advance at least one base, the interference is ignored.

 

(2) Any runner attempting to steal on a catcher’s interference with the batter’s swing shall be awarded the base the runner is attempting to reach.

If a runner is not attempting to steal on the catcher’s interference, the individual is not entitled to the next base, if not forced to advance because of the batter being awarded first base.

 

Pro rule Rule 6.08 to 6.09

© The catcher or any fielder interferes with him. If a play follows the interference, the manager of the offense may advise the plate umpire that he elects to decline the interference penalty and accept the play. Such election shall be made immediately at the end of the play. However, if the batter reaches first base on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batsman, or otherwise, and all other runners advance at least one base, the play proceeds without reference to the interference.

 

Rule 6.08© Comment: If catcher’s interference is called with a play in progress the umpire will allow the play to continue because the manager may elect to take the play. If the batter-runner missed first base, or a runner misses his next base, he shall be considered as having reached the base, as stated in

Note of Rule 7.04 (d).

Examples of plays the manager might elect to take:

1. Runner on third, one out, batter hits fly ball to the outfield on which the runner scores but catcher’s interference was called. The offensive manager may elect to take the run and have batter called out or have runner remain at third and batter awarded first base.

2. Runner on second base. Catcher interferes with batter as he bunts ball fairly sending runner to third base. The manager may rather have runner on third base with an out on the play than have runners on second and first.

If a runner is trying to score by a steal or squeeze from third base, note the additional penalty set forth in Rule 7.07

.

If the catcher interferes with the batter before the pitcher delivers the ball, it shall not be considered interference on the batter under Rule 6.08©. In such cases, the umpire shall call “Time†and the pitcher and batter start over from “scratch.â€

 

 

maineump: i see you have separated the bottom portion of OBR rule 6.08.  this was not the case.  The pitcher had delivered the ball, and the catcher jumped in-front of the batter before he had a chance to swing.  therefore this rule would not apply.

 

FED 8.1.1.F, clearly states: F2 may not catch the pitch until it as passed home plate.  and if a HS game i'da banged it perfect.  

 

is there nothing in the OBR on this CI?  if there is no case, or rule then anytime you have a R1 or R2, all the F2 would have to do is jump in-front of B3, and make the throw-down for the putout.  imho, this is not a fair play, and the batter has been interfered from being 'able' to swing (wither or not the batter swings makes no difference.  he was not given the chance to swing because F2 now has caught the ball 2 feet in-front of HP)

 

ron-

I totally agree - I am trying to find a case play for this, but nothing yet. Basically the batter needs a chance to hit the ball, and if the catcher takes that away, then no fair. I guess we all know the intent of the rule, just stating the specific rule for the discussion with the coach?

Would this be the same intent? Not so much the squeeze, but the balk part of it?

7.07 If, with a runner on third base and trying to score by means of a squeeze play or a steal, the catcher or any other fielder steps on, or in front of home base without possession of the ball, or touches the batter or his bat, the pitcher shall be charged with a balk, the batter shall be awarded first base on the interference and the ball is dead.

 

 

Tell the coach to look it up and get back to you.

johnnyg08

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If he starts a swing, makes an effort, but in my judgement, stops his swing rather than hit the catcher, I will call INT. If he was taking the pitch, no interference.

I believe 7.07 is very specifically about squeeze plays.

 

 

If he starts a swing, makes an effort, but in my judgement, stops his swing rather than hit the catcher, I will call INT. If he was taking the pitch, no interference.

I believe 7.07 is very specifically about squeeze plays.

What will you call the pitch?

 

 

If he starts a swing, makes an effort, but in my judgement, stops his swing rather than hit the catcher, I will call INT. If he was taking the pitch, no interference.

I believe 7.07 is very specifically about squeeze plays.

 

 

I don't think that is the proper way to interpret interference.  Think of the advantage an F2 could get on a pitch out or a stolen base on a waste pitch?

 

It's interference.  

JaxRolo

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Whaddya know? I got one right!

Finally! 

 

I still have my hopes up I may get one!

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BalkHawk

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If I may speak for Mr. Jacksa and his esteemed colleague Mr. Roder, perhaps some of you may change your minds. I'm not saying this is in the rule book, per se, but many agree the interpretation is solid.

From Chapter 14- Defensive (Catcher's) Interference,

Ahem:

It is defensive interference (better known as "catcher's interference") if

(2) the catcher is on or forward of the tip of home plate (or "on fair territory") to get the pitch and prevents the batter's opportunity to swing at or bunt such pitch. [7.07]

However, it is not catcher's interference if the batter

(5) completely gives up his opportunity to swing or bunt at a pitch

The examples of interference have the catcher on the plate when the batter is partially squared to bunt, or even striding at a pitch but not swinging.

If you still think I'm rong, thanks for cowrekting me.

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