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  1. 1. Is this a legal spin move?

    • yes, it's legal.
      11
    • no, it's a balk.
      23

  2. 2. how nit-picky is it?

    • Balkin' Bob
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    • maybe pIckin' boogers
      10
    • by the book
      14
    • I voted yes, it's legal
      7

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BT_Blue
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I see distance/direction as well as no breaking of the knees or anything. Completely legal.

Mr Umpire
Mr Umpire

I think from the right angle, many would have a balk.  I would and do from this video.  But, from the wrong one and live action, many probably won't have one.

MidAmUmp
MidAmUmp

This is essentially the same move from the angle the 1st base umpire would have...   http://youtu.be/mp6mhb0WPgk   This is from a MLB game and they missed it, so you can see how hard it is to get

Richvee

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He lifts/steps back with his non pivot foot  before spinning and stepping to 1st. 

BT_Blue

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Ah I get it now. By rule a balk. Think I would be hard presses to call it.

Just changed my vote. Probably wouldn't be able to call it live but definitely, by rule, a balk.

Mr Umpire

Mr Umpire

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He lifts/steps back with his non pivot foot  before spinning and stepping to 1st. 

 

This is what I saw in regular speed. That's a balk.

Since you saw it in regular speed, was it called a balk?

BalkHawk

BalkHawk

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OBR

8.01

© At any time during the pitchers preliminary movements and until his natural pitching motion commits him to the pitch, he may throw to any base provided he steps directly toward such base before making the throw.
Rule 8.01© Comment: The pitcher shall step ahead of the throw. A snap throw followed by the step directly toward the base is a balk.

 

8.05
If there is a runner, or runners, it is a balk when --

© The pitcher, while touching his plate, fails to step directly toward a base before throwing to that base;

Rule 8.05© Comment: Requires the pitcher, while touching his plate, to step directly toward a base before throwing to that base. If a pitcher turns or spins off of his free foot without actually stepping or if he turns his body and throws before stepping, it is a balk.

 

Jacksa/Roder

Ch. 18 Item 9

[balk items 1-13 involve a pitcher who is in-contact with the pitching rubber]

[it is a balk if a pitcher]

9. does not step to a base in throwing (or feinting to throw) to such base. A step to a base must have distance and direction to that base.

(a) Distance: In stepping, a pitcher must bring his free foot into the air and replace it on the ground in a completely different spot.

BalkHawk

BalkHawk

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This was NOT called a balk. 

Again, these esteemed umpires work SEC games, I only watch on t.v. and nit-pick in slo-mo.

They were working four-man.

This is completely out of context, and if you knew the context, you would know a balk call in this situation would be absolutely critical. Tie game, last inning. (not that I have found any rules, comments, or interps that suggest the context has anything to do with a balk call)

BalkHawk

BalkHawk

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This is probably the one:

 

NCAA 9-3-c (1)

....when throwing or feinting a throw to a base not being faced, the pitcher must step immediately, directly and gain ground toward that base.

BalkHawk

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For laughs:

the announcer, ever-percipient, noted that this spin move is a balk in OBR, but legal in NCAA.

  :jerkit:

BT_Blue

BT_Blue

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For laughs:

the announcer, ever-percipient, noted that this spin move is a balk in OBR, but legal in NCAA.

:jerkit:

Evidently they don't get Detroit Tiger games in SEC Country. Verlander spins on that front foot and never gains ground.

BalkHawk

BalkHawk

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For laughs:

the announcer, ever-percipient, noted that this spin move is a balk in OBR, but legal in NCAA.

:jerkit:

Evidently they don't get Detroit Tiger games in SEC Country. Verlander spins on that front foot and never gains ground.

 

deep breath.....

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4887466

You don't need to click the link, but if you do, you can read a story about Justin Verlander's 5-year $80 million contract.

mjr_2013

mjr_2013

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Who knows if I would have seen this from any of the four positions? All I know from this five second video is that if I was lying down on the grass at a perfect angle I would have.

Jocko

Jocko

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No, Jocko, it was tonight.

I didn't realize they worked 4 man..... I go to some SEC games (Bama), and some CUSA games (UAB) and they normally work 3 man, even conference games.
Mr Umpire

Mr Umpire

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Who knows if I would have seen this from any of the four positions? All I know from this five second video is that if I was lying down on the grass at a perfect angle I would have.

I think from the right angle, many would have a balk.  I would and do from this video.  But, from the wrong one and live action, many probably won't have one.

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Rich Ives

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MLBUM 2012 page 67:  "It is legal for a (RHP) to begin a pick-off move to first base by first moving his pivot foot in the direction of third base provided that he makes a legal step toward first base with the non-pivot foot before throwing there and provided that the move is continuous and without interruption."

 

IOW a jab step is legal if followed by a legal step/throw to 1B.

BalkHawk

BalkHawk

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Jocko- I will guess that the 4th man was not paid, or maybe he was and they are gearing up for conference games.

MJR and Mr Umpire- I have to disagree here. With four umpires and R1 only, no less than two umpires should have their eyes glued to the pitcher's free foot. This isn't easy to spot, but it is our job. When the manager comes out raising hell, are you going to tell him you were hands on knees, staring at the pitcher's feet, but you had a bad angle? :big_no

Rich Ives- a jab step is a legal pickoff move indeed, and as you pointed out, the pitcher is counted to be engaged still after a jab step move. HOWEVER, as you also stated, the "jab" of the pivot foot must be followed by a legal step toward first base with the non-pivot foot before throwing there and must be continuous and without interruption.

:givebeer:

sdix00

sdix00

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I am surprised there are 11 votes for a balk.    I see nothing illegal here.   I see a jab step, which is legal. 

 

Unless there is something I am missing. 

Welpe

Welpe

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I am surprised there are 11 votes for a balk.    I see nothing illegal here.   I see a jab step, which is legal. 

 

Unless there is something I am missing. 

 

I don't either. I see distance and direction.

 

I tried to vote for no balk but it wouldn't let me without selecting a second option so I didn't bother voting to skew the results.

BalkHawk

BalkHawk

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I am surprised there are 11 votes for a balk.    I see nothing illegal here.   I see a jab step, which is legal. 

 

Unless there is something I am missing. 

 

I don't either. I see distance and direction.

 

I tried to vote for no balk but it wouldn't let me without selecting a second option so I didn't bother voting to skew the results.

 

I revised the poll.

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