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  1. 1. Is the first video a legal pickoff move?

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  2. 2. Do poll questions help get your attention?

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UmpJM
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I had a start/stop balk on both, but they come well before he initiates the 3rd to 1st move. JM

UmpJM
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bam, A start/stop balk is about as fundamental a balk as there is, and it's hardly "picking nits". If he does it every pitch, it's a balk every pitch. You seem to believe that if a pitcher does som

noumpere
noumpere

He can do it three times in a row and then there won't be any runners so I don't care that he does it.

Dannytheman

Dannytheman

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I don't see a balk here. Hard to tell from the angle shown about 45 degree, but he obviously fakes to third, releases and tosses the ball away better than I have seen lately. :rollinglaugh:

Jocko

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I had a start/stop balk on both, but they come well before he initiates the 3rd to 1st move.JM

I didn't notice before since I was keying on the footwork. But he does slightly move the elbow before stepping. Most F1s have a tell when theyre gonna make a move. Bet that's his. And it's so slight, it probably doesn't get called. Good catch.
BalkHawk

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I had a start/stop balk on both, but they come well before he initiates the 3rd to 1st move.

JM

That's good stuff. 

noumpere

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I had a start/stop balk on both, but they come well before he initiates the 3rd to 1st move.

JM

The second one is especially obvious.  I thought this was what was being asked until I read the other responses.

BalkHawk

BalkHawk

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wait, who said that's not the balk being referred to?

no, I was talking about the iffy step to third, specifically the pivot foot.

In retrospect, I blame the start/stop for the red flags. One day I'll be like JM.

noumpere

noumpere

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wait, who said that's not the balk being referred to?

no, I was talking about the iffy step to third, specifically the pivot foot.

In retrospect, I blame the start/stop for the red flags. One day I'll be like JM.

Now I am very confused.  WTF does the pivot foot have to do with the step toward third (under last years rules of course when this move was generally legal)?  and the pitcher is allowed to throw to first becacuse the pivot foot did come off the rubber as part of the feint to third (again last year).

 

If you want to argue that the step to third was really more to the plate, well, maybe but it's impossible to tell from this angle.

Jocko

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One day I'll be like JM.

I'll carpool with you to Dagobah for the JMUA

grayhawk

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I had a start/stop balk on both, but they come well before he initiates the 3rd to 1st move.

JM

The second one is especially obvious.  I thought this was what was being asked until I read the other responses.

 

I wasn't sure on the second one because they started the video too late.  That movement could have been part of his initial set.  The first one looks like a double set (start/stop) for sure.

bam

bam

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Double start/stop?  Wow.  Talk about picking nits.  And it could be something he does every pitch - if so, he's got to continue to do it every pitch going forward, so as not to put the runners at a disadvantage.   

 

Call balks when you see them, but it seems to me these weren't - and weren't called, for that matter. 

UmpJM

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bam,

A start/stop balk is about as fundamental a balk as there is, and it's hardly "picking nits".

If he does it every pitch, it's a balk every pitch.

You seem to believe that if a pitcher does something illegal in his delivery that it's OK as long as he does it every time. If so, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the pitching regulations and how to enforce them.

JM

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noumpere

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Double start/stop?  Wow.  Talk about picking nits.  And it could be something he does every pitch - if so, he's got to continue to do it every pitch going forward, so as not to put the runners at a disadvantage.   

 

Call balks when you see them, but it seems to me these weren't - and weren't called, for that matter. 

He can do it three times in a row and then there won't be any runners so I don't care that he does it. ;)

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bam

bam

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bam,

A start/stop balk is about as fundamental a balk as there is, and it's hardly "picking nits".

If he does it every pitch, it's a balk every pitch.

You seem to believe that if a pitcher does something illegal in his delivery that it's OK as long as he does it every time. If so, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the pitching regulations and how to enforce them.

JM

I guess the three D1 umpires that didn't call it - twice! - must be as fundamentally misinformed as I am. 

 

While I agree the start/stop IS a balk, I fail to see any clear start/stop in this video. 

 

Edited to add:

 

Perhaps I should have stipulated that I think that calling THIS PARTICULAR start/stop is nitpicking. 

Thunderheads

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at 3 seconds into the video there looks to be a flinch,..............BUT .................BUT................it VERY WELL COULD BE that he does this EVERY time and the crew was very aware of it.

 

watching this the first time, I saw it and noticed it.

 

It may also be the final "settling point" of his "set" ........

bam

bam

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at 3 seconds into the video there looks to be a flinch,..............BUT .................BUT................it VERY WELL COULD BE that he does this EVERY time and the crew was very aware of it.

 

watching this the first time, I saw it and noticed it.

 

It may also be the final "settling point" of his "set" ........

What he said.....

Thunderheads

Thunderheads

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at 3 seconds into the video there looks to be a flinch,..............BUT .................BUT................it VERY WELL COULD BE that he does this EVERY time and the crew was very aware of it.

 

watching this the first time, I saw it and noticed it.

 

It may also be the final "settling point" of his "set" ........

What he said.....

I'm not saying I'm right or wrong ....I'm just pointing out what I saw, ...when I first saw it, I said "balk" to myself when he flinched or finally set ....

BT_Blue

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I was under the impression that F1 is not required to stop unless he is coming to the plate. Did I miss something in this video? Cause I can swear the ball never made is closer to home then sixty feet-six inches.

noumpere

noumpere

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I was under the impression that F1 is not required to stop unless he is coming to the plate. Did I miss something in this video? Cause I can swear the ball never made is closer to home then sixty feet-six inches.

It wasnt a "no stop" balk it was a "start and stop" balk and that's a balk no matter where he throws it or even if he throws it.

 

And I can see this being missed or ignored live on the field but in context of the video review here its what I first saw especially if someone asks me to look at a balk video.

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