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OBR Rules:

With R3 on third and one out, B5 swings at a pitch and hits the catcher’s

glove. B5 still hits the ball on the ground to F4, who throws to first to

retire B5. F3 then attempts to throw R3 out at home, but throws the ball

into dead-ball territory.

> a. The ball is dead when the bat contacts the glove.

> b. The ball becomes dead when B5 is called out.

> c. The ball is delayed-dead until the entire play is over.

> d. B5 is awarded first.

> e. R3 is returned to third.

> f. R3 automatically scores

What's the result of the play?

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INT on F2

Wait to see the result of the play once B5 is retired at 1B.

Call "time", award B5 1B and return R3 to 3B

If the offense so chooses, call B5 out and score R3.

So I guess the answer is c, d, e, and kind of f

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INT on F2

Wait to see the result of the play once B5 is retired at 1B.

Call "time", award B5 1B and return R3 to 3B

If the offense so chooses, call B5 out and score R3.

So I guess the answer is c, d, e, and kind of f

Corrrect. The key is that the offense gets a choice so:

If the offense so chooses, call B5 out and score R3.

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OBR Rules:

With R3 on third and one out, B5 swings at a pitch and hits the catcher’s

glove. B5 still hits the ball on the ground to F4, who throws to first to

retire B5. F3 then attempts to throw R3 out at home, but throws the ball

into dead-ball territory.

> a. The ball is dead when the bat contacts the glove.

> b. The ball becomes dead when B5 is called out.

> c. The ball is delayed-dead until the entire play is over.

> d. B5 is awarded first.

> e. R3 is returned to third.

> f. R3 automatically scores

What's the result of the play?

You have a delayed dead ball call due to the catchers interference. So my take on this play is

c. The ball is delayed dead ball until the entire play is over

Rule on the catchers interference....

d. R5 awarded 1st

e. R3 is returned to 3rd.

Of course the offensive manager could now come out and request his right to decline the interference and accept the play allowing R3 to score and now there are 2 outs

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In this case you must wait until continuous action ends. My instincts say you kill the play once the ball enters DBT and then award BR 1st on the CI and allow the option if the offensive manager chooses. So......... C.

Ok, if I'm correct in my answer, what is the mechanic on this one? Do we even acknowledge the ball out of play? Or do we call it as if the runner had never scored? "TIME, the ball's out of play. BUT, since I've got Catcher's Interference. YOU, first base. YOU, back to third." and then wait.

Would this be the proper mechanic? Or would we not even mention the ball out of play?

Posted

INT on F2

Wait to see the result of the play once B5 is retired at 1B.

Call "time", award B5 1B and return R3 to 3B

If the offense so chooses, call B5 out and score R3.

So I guess the answer is c, d, e, and kind of f

Ding, Ding, Ding absolutely..

Correct!

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Is it the umpire's job to tell the offensive coach he has a choice, or is it on the coach to know?

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Now that was the OBR rule. Please refresh my memory, there is no opportunity of an option in FED, correct?

So that if the BR does not safely reach first and the run scores, R3 is returned and B5 is awarded first.

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Is it the umpire's job to tell the offensive coach he has a choice, or is it on the coach to know?

"Back in the day" the umpire said nothing to the coach about the option. The umpire simply enforced the penalty. It was up to the coach to know the rule.

Today the umpire after the play is over will give the coach an option of taking the play or the penalty.

Pete Booth

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Is it the umpire's job to tell the offensive coach he has a choice, or is it on the coach to know?

"Back in the day" the umpire said nothing to the coach about the option. The umpire simply enforced the penalty. It was up to the coach to know the rule.

Today the umpire after the play is over will give the coach an option of taking the play or the penalty.

Pete Booth

Just to confirm, then:

It is acceptable, and preferred that the umpire advise the OM of the option to accept the result of the play, at all levels of baseball using OBR.

Right?

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I had this happen to me last year in a HS game. As soon as the interference was detected and he hit the ball, I gave the delayed dead ball signal. I cleared the catcher, and advanced to the edge of the dirt circle 1st base side to check for a pulled foot, and then be in proper position to call a play at the plate. After the ball went under the fence ( thats a whole nother story, lousy field) I called time and allowed the run to score. Normal end of play action ensued until the coach came out and said " what about catchers interference?" I explained the either or rule, and coach elected to trade the out for a run. Then defensive coach came out and I had to explain to him that it was offense decision, I could not force the runner back to third and award 1st base ( which is what he wanted) if offense wants the run to score.

In my opinion, I would allow the result of the play to stand, unless the offensive coach came out to question it.

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This is what I have in the PBUC Manual. I can't seem to find anything on whether the umpire is to advise the OM or not. However I have heard it both ways, and I can't remember if that had to do with the level of baseball or not.

7.16 CATCHER'S INTERFERENCE

Under Official Baseball Rule 6.08( c), if catcher's interference is called with a play in progress, the umpire will allow the play to continue because the manager may elect to take the play -unless the batter reaches first base and all other runners advance one base, in which event the play stands and the manager has no option to take the interference penalty.

The umpire should indicate catcher's interference by pointing at and calling the infraction.

The manager shall make the election to take the play or take the interference penalty by advising the plate umpire immediately following the play, and once made, such election cannot be changed.

If the batter-runner misses first base, or a runner misses his next base, he shall be considered as having reached the next base, as referred to in the Note to Official Baseball Rule 7 .04( d) and as stated in the Approved Ruling of Official Baseball Rule 8.05.

A runner who misses the first base to which he is advancing and who is called out on appeal shall be considered as having advanced one base for the propose of this rule.

If a runner is attempting to steal a base when the catcher interferes with the

batter, the runner is awarded the base on the interference. Runners not attempting to steal or not forced to advance remain on the base they occupied at the time of the interference unless Official Baseball Rule 7.07 applies. Under Official Baseball Rule 7.07, if a runner is stealing home when the catcher interferes with the batter, the additional penalty of a balk is invoked, which enables all runners on base to advance (whether or not they were stealing).

It is suggested that the umpire then indicate the infraction by announcing (while facing the official scorer), "Catcher's interference!" while indicating a motion similar to a foul tip signal and then pointing to the catcher.

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Now that was the OBR rule. Please refresh my memory, there is no opportunity of an option in FED, correct?

8-1-1e gives the "coach or captain of the team at bat" the option.

Posted

I believe the language of PBUC implies that there is no choice given - that the manager has to know the rules and it is up to him to say something.

As I was reading up, I immediately thought of Hunter's reply to this before Warren mentioned it...I think that is the way to go.

Mind you, if I'm working down helping out a younger guy, I'll probably cut the coach some slack and tell him, look you can have either A or B, because rules knowledge isn't as refined with the coaches at that age.

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In this case you must wait until continuous action ends. My instincts say you kill the play once the ball enters DBT and then award BR 1st on the CI and allow the option if the offensive manager chooses. So......... C.

Ok, if I'm correct in my answer, what is the mechanic on this one? Do we even acknowledge the ball out of play? Or do we call it as if the runner had never scored? "TIME, the ball's out of play. BUT, since I've got Catcher's Interference. YOU, first base. YOU, back to third." and then wait.

Would this be the proper mechanic? Or would we not even mention the ball out of play?

Your mechanic is correct. Except I would simply say "Time. Catcher's Interference. You, 1B. You, 3B." After that, I talk to the OM and explain to him what occurred. In amateur baseball, I go to the OM. In pro ball, OM comes to me.

As for the OOP, it only matters if the offense takes the play and there are more runners than R3 or R3 didn't score before the ball went OOP. Such as R2, he would score as well if the offense takes the play. In the OP, the OOP is of no consequence since R3 scored anyway on the play before the ball went OOP and he was the only runner.

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In my opinion, I would allow the result of the play to stand, unless the offensive coach came out to question it.

Not in amateur baseball.

Both the FED and NCAA want the umpire to give the coach his option.

REASONING: It's an unusual play that does not happen everyday.

In football if the defense commits a penalty say offsides and the offense makes a play, the referee wil ask the offense what they want. IMO, baseball should be the same way.

Pete Booth

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In my opinion, I would allow the result of the play to stand, unless the offensive coach came out to question it.

Not in amateur baseball.

Both the FED and NCAA want the umpire to give the coach his option.

REASONING: It's an unusual play that does not happen everyday.

In football if the defense commits a penalty say offsides and the offense makes a play, the referee wil ask the offense what they want. IMO, baseball should be the same way.

Pete Booth

LL also wants the umpire to let the manager know there's an option.

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Mechanic:

"Thats interference" (when the bat hits mitt)

play continues...

When ball is out of play the PU walks out saying Time....(thinking to himself hmm what do I do?)

"Time, thats interference( pointing at the catcher). You (pointing at R3) third base. Batter (pointing at batter) first base."

If manager says," hey whats going on? I want my run! " You say, "Okay skip you can have your run but the batter is out."

If he agrees...

"You (pointing at R3) score and you (pointing at the batter on first) He's out!"

Posted

rodatc is correct. Since the ball went out of play after R3 scored and the BR was out, you simply kill the ball when it goes OOP. Enforce the CI penalties and, in amatuer ball, inform the coach of his options. If there were other runners on base when the ball went OOP, you would do the same thing. If the coach wanted the out and the run, you would then score R3 and award the other runners their appropriate bases.

In pro ball, the manager must come out to the umpire. They don't have to explicity know the rule, they just have to know that something is awry. You then explain the call and tell him his options.

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Just like type B obstruction, BI or in this case, CI, announce the infraction, let it play out and then let the OM what his options are. This different than what we learned originally. NCAA and down give the option, PBUC and pro need to know.

Posted

Mechanic:

"Thats interference" (when the bat hits mitt)

play continues...

When ball is out of play the PU walks out saying Time....(thinking to himself hmm what do I do?)

"Time, thats interference( pointing at the catcher). You (pointing at R3) third base. Batter (pointing at batter) first base."

If manager says," hey whats going on? I want my run! " You say, "Okay skip you can have your run but the batter is out."

If he agrees...

"You (pointing at R3) score and you (pointing at the batter on first) He's out!"

OK smartypants, what mechanic do you make to the scorer / press box to indicate what has happened? :P


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