Do you have any ejections?

[JacksFan]

Ok, here's the situation.. VT up 15-1 VT runner gets on 1st and steals 2nd base. HT coach and pitcher both tell the batter he's f*cked (yes they said "you're f*cked") and hit the batter. Do you eject both the pitcher and manager for clearly stating it's coming and clear retaliation or do you now issue warnings? In the game I saw, there was no EJ or warnings issued.. This is amatuer league adult baseball.

Here is what I would do. I would ej both pitcher and coach, only because of their pre pitch antics. If they hadn't said a word about throwing at the batter I don't even issue a warning.

[krwill96]

Both are getting their favorite post game beverage a little earlier after that comment and the batter being plunked. IMO it was planned and if you keep them in you open up for retaliation. Which is a mess your not interested in.

[Jocko]

Both gone with no warning. Period.

[noumpere]

How did the batter react to the steal, to the "announcement", and to being hit? And what type of pitch was the batter hit with?

I've been in some leagues where doing nothing in the situation described would of been the right thing because everyone knew what was going on and expected / wanted it and the batter was hit with a batting practice fastball in the hip.

I've been in others where the ejection was warranted (and it didn't stop more hits batters and ejections -- 7 in all if I recall).

So you really need to read the situation but I agree with the others to err on the side of doing something -- if you had to ask then at least the warning was called for.

[Umpire in Chief]

I think the ej is well warranted.

[Dannytheman]

I don't know how you don't ejct someone. Blatant unsportsmanlike conduct? Seeya!!

[JacksFan]

Runner was a young kid who had no idea stealing in that time was a no no. Batter wasn't happy about having to take it but bit his lip and took it. Throw was fastball up around the shoulders. My biggest thing on it was the coach pitcher and their whole team bitching and saying he's going to be hit.

[JacksFan]

And the batter was clearly pissed about the steal. Gave a stare down to the runner and asked if he was joking.

[Replacematt]

If this was a run-of-the-mill justified intentional HBP (that is, no taunting, ball is in the ribs or backside, etc.) all that's necessary is a reminder that it's over--"Okay, guys, we got the message, time to move on."

Given the taunt and the fact the ball was so high, I've probably got an ejection.

[bam]

Warning as soon as the "you're f%^*@d". HBP and both are gone, and possibly the catcher as well.

[noumpere]

A better play is a pick to second that just happens to be thrown low and to the SS side of the base.

I agree with Matt that given the nature of the throw something probably needed to be done even though in some of the leagues like this it isnt always the case.

[RichMSN]

I'd warn both benches after the "you're f*cked" comments. Then it's an easy ejection after the batter gets hit.

While I "get" the whole "throwing at the batter for showing up the opponent" thing, it's not my concern and I'm not interested in dealing with the aftermath so I will try to prevent it best I can. After that, I'll simply eject whoever needs to be ejected.

I had a situation in a college game about 5 years ago where an F4 obstructed a runner and got run over. The defense was angry, but quite frankly, it was simply good baserunning and the F4 had no business being where he was.

I noted the number of the runner on that play and figured something stupid would happen. On the first HBP in Game 2 of the DH, I warned both benches and when they hit him *again* ejected the pitcher and the head coach for their stupidity.

[MPLSMatt]

I think you have to say something after "you're fu*#ed." Granted, I do almost all high school and below so I'm very unaccustomed to this sort of crap being so overt. I also don't buy that it depends on the kind of pitch, etc., in this situation - once you allude to hitting a batter you lose the benefit of the doubt, IMHO. If he doesn't say anything, I probably warn after the plunking and that's it (maybe not even that).

Earlier this year, I was doing a 15U game (FED rules) and a similar thing came up. Game was close and a bit testy.

OC: (to batter) Timmy, back up in the box so you have more time.

Timmy: (yelling to coach) Coach, I don't need to he's not throwing fast.

F1: (takes two steps toward the plate) I'm not throwing fast? I'll show you throwing fast!

I jump in front of the plate, tell the pitcher to get on the mound and that I don't want to hear another word. I walk out to him, exchange baseballs with him and tell him that if this guy gets hit, he's done. No further incident occurred in this game. That's probably a little easier with 15Us than adults, but I would have sent him if he'd so much as thrown behind the batter after that comment.

[catsbackr]

Warning as soon as the "you're f%^*@d". HBP and both are gone, and possibly the catcher as well.

I agree with most, if they're stupid enough to say it out loud, coach and pitcher, gone.

Why in the world would you eject the catcher?

[PeteBooth]

Ok, here's the situation.. VT up 15-1 VT runner gets on 1st and steals 2nd base. HT coach and pitcher both tell the batter he's f*cked (yes they said "you're f*cked") and hit the batter. Do you eject both the pitcher and manager for clearly stating it's coming and clear retaliation or do you now issue warnings? In the game I saw, there was no EJ or warnings issued.. This is amatuer league adult baseball.

Here is what I would do. I would ej both pitcher and coach, only because of their pre pitch antics. If they hadn't said a word about throwing at the batter I don't even issue a warning.

First off the magic phrase This is amatuer league adult baseball.

For the most part this is the worst brand of ball you will call. VT up 15-1 - No Mercy rule?

Once you hear the HT coach and F1 say "batter you are fuc***" IMO they gotta go or chaos could develop especially in amateur adult leagues commonly referred to as "rec league baseball"

Your OP is typical of adult league type games. More trouble then they are worth.

Pete Booth

[catsbackr]

Disagree.

I work/assign 2 different adult leagues and have almost ZERO problems. We work only senior, experienced umpires in both leagues and have had maybe 4 ejections in the past 3 years.

[RichMSN]

Disagree.

I work/assign 2 different adult leagues and have almost ZERO problems. We work only senior, experienced umpires in both leagues and have had maybe 4 ejections in the past 3 years.

When we walk up to the field for adult games (I work with one and only one partner in this league) we usually hear the players telling each other, "You do not want to **** with these guys. They're good umpires, but they won't take any ****."

Music to my ears.

[mstaylor]

Warn on the comment, toss on the hit. If he is playing in a men's game he is old enough to know when to not steal. By the same token, the manager should know enough to be able to signal a hit batter without having to yell it. The pitcher should know how to hit a guy without throwing high at him. Sounds like a bunch that need to go play SP softball because they don't understand baseball.