"But he was in the baseline!"

[buddywilshire]

I'm BU behind first base. Batter hits a pop up about half way down the first baseline. Pitcher runs over to catch the ball and the batter just runs him over. In unsion the PU and I say "Interfrence, batter out." Inning over. The first base coach runs right at me "But he was in the baseline!" Doesn't matter coach, he has to let the fielder make a play on the ball. He says "But he wasn't within three feet of the line". The plate up says "Right he ran right into him:D". The First Base Coach says "So you mean he could have ran out of the baseline to get to the first?" Yeah coach, in that case it is ok. Then he drops the "Someone here doesn't know the rules" and the PU says "Yeah, one of us doesn't and it isn't me." (The PU said after the coach walks off "I shouldn't have said that". My response to him was "It is 100 degrees and he is wrong, no one is going to be that upset over that.")

[txump81]

Nice!!!

He's right he shouldn't have said that. However, it sounds like nothing further happened, everything is OK. Just file under, things not to do. I have had a few of those. Later you think, "I could have handled that a LOT better".

[Umpire in Chief]

I'm BU behind first base. Batter hits a pop up about half way down the first baseline. Pitcher runs over to catch the ball and the batter just runs him over. In unsion the PU and I say "Interfrence, batter out." Inning over. The first base coach runs right at me "But he was in the baseline!" Doesn't matter coach, he has to let the fielder make a play on the ball. He says "But he wasn't within three feet of the line". The plate up says "Right he ran right into him:D". The First Base Coach says "So you mean he could have ran out of the baseline to get to the first?" Yeah coach, in that case it is ok. Then he drops the "Someone here doesn't know the rules" and the PU says "Yeah, one of us doesn't and it isn't me." (The PU said after the coach walks off "I shouldn't have said that". My response to him was "It is 100 degrees and he is wrong, no one is going to be that upset over that.")

Wow Ump81 & I had nearly the exact same situation Saturday...

[buddywilshire]

Later I heard him yelling something about the pitcher coming set, his team was batting again. I honestly thought he was yelling at the runner at third. After about 30 seconds I look over and I see he is talking to me. I said "What coach?" "The pitcher isn't pausing." It was the fifth inning and he had the same move all day long. I said "Yes he is." "No, No he isn't." He then shows me what he thinks he is doing. I said "Coach, what you should me isn't a balk so I guess he is ok then" Nothing the rest of the game.

I know I shouldn't have said anything, but I was hot. So glad that I am no longer doing that league.

[yawetag]

He then shows me what he thinks he is doing.

HTBT, but this could be a WHOOSH!

[Guest]

HTBT, but this could be a WHOOSH!

I don't see a league here...if they're younger you're going to cut the coach a bit of slack.

The automatic ejection comes when the coach is demonstrating the play while interrupting the play to argue a call, in other words, for all to see. In this instance, personally, even if he is on the field arguing with me, I'm not going to care too much. Now on the other hand, if he wants to climb onto the mound to do so, or, in the case of one severely misinformed RAT I dumped from an 11U game, jump around on the basepaths immitating a runner who had apparently come off the baseline, then they go.

As an aside, sometimes straying from the boundaries of absolute professionalism are a better tool for effectively managing a game. I've mentioned it before, sometimes you need to know who you can ask to sit down and be quiet, and other times you must tell them to shut up; this being strictly metaphorical. I'm not advocating this on a regular basis by any means - just trying to say that on occasion, straying from the norm can help manage the game better. Just pick your spots carefully, and realize that if you are going to do this, you must be prepared to be flexible with the aftermath.

[yawetag]

I don't see a league here...if they're younger you're going to cut the coach a bit of slack.

I'm guessing Legion, based on the PM I received from him. This would be high school-aged. I do agree that age matters -- younger-level coaches haven't had the experience to know what's right and wrong. However, a Legion coach should know -- most of them are high school coaches.

The automatic ejection comes when the coach is demonstrating the play while interrupting the play to argue a call, in other words, for all to see.

I assumed the coach was interrupting play. From the OP: "I honestly thought he was yelling at the runner at third." Hence my WHOOSH.

In this instance, personally, even if he is on the field arguing with me, I'm not going to care too much.

Again, though, it's a HTBT situation. Any time a coach wants to imitate and show me what's going on, my trigger's going to be short. Whether he intends it or not, it appears as though he's showing me up -- as if I wasn't good enough to see what the pitcher was doing.

The fact that he's yelling it across the diamond makes that leash shorter. If he really thinks the pitcher isn't coming set, mention it to me between innings; at the least, request time and talk to me. There doesn't need to be any imitation -- we both know what not coming set looks like. A simple, "Andrew, I don't think he's coming set" would suffice.

[Thunderheads]

I had a similar sitch a couple weeks ago. GOOD TEAM ...coach was very boitserous though and my partner and I knew he'd be 'trouble'

I'm BU ...

R2, ...1 out ....ground ball to F6, .....R2, for whatever reason is running....r2 runs into F6 as he's fielding the ball to throw to 3rd , but he can't make the play .... "that's interference" I say, ....I wait, he's safe and 3rd, I say "TIME", that's interference on the shortstop, runner is out @ 3rd".

Coach looks at me with BIG EYES.... "Blue, he's got to get out of the way of my runner" ....I say, (with a smile, shaking my head)...."Coach, ...it's the other way around,..." ....he just looks at me, and nods his head. HE KNEW, he was trying to 'get me' on a ruling ....:shrug:

[catoblue]

" ...it's the other way around,..."

I might prefaced with "Batted ball coach....

[ukce1861]

r2 runs into F6 as he's fielding the ball to throw to 3rd , but he can't make the play .... "that's interference" I say, ....I wait, he's safe and 3rd, I say "TIME", that's interference on the shortstop, runner is out @ 3rd".

Interference is always an immediate dead ball (except for CI). R2 out, BR to 1st, unless you had an obvious double play (which this doesn't necessarily sound like).

[Mr Umpire]

Interference is always an immediate dead ball (except for CI). R2 out, BR to 1st, unless you had an obvious double play (which this doesn't necessarily sound like).

BI isn't automatically dead either.

[ukce1861]

BI isn't automatically dead either.

You're right, my mistake... That's why I love in 2.00 the part about, "On any interference the ball is dead" - except when it's not...:shrug:

[Thunderheads]

Interference is always an immediate dead ball (except for CI). R2 out, BR to 1st, unless you had an obvious double play (which this doesn't necessarily sound like).

Correct, ....and it happened that way because it happened so fast, that by the time I got done calling / saying 'that's interference' the play happened at 3rd, and that's when the TIME came in, ....I did not describe that the best ...sorry

[buddywilshire]

I'm guessing Legion, based on the PM I received from him. This would be high school-aged. I do agree that age matters -- younger-level coaches haven't had the experience to know what's right and wrong. However, a Legion coach should know -- most of them are high school coaches.

I assumed the coach was interrupting play. From the OP: "I honestly thought he was yelling at the runner at third." Hence my WHOOSH.

Again, though, it's a HTBT situation. Any time a coach wants to imitate and show me what's going on, my trigger's going to be short. Whether he intends it or not, it appears as though he's showing me up -- as if I wasn't good enough to see what the pitcher was doing.

The fact that he's yelling it across the diamond makes that leash shorter. If he really thinks the pitcher isn't coming set, mention it to me between innings; at the least, request time and talk to me. There doesn't need to be any imitation -- we both know what not coming set looks like. A simple, "Andrew, I don't think he's coming set" would suffice.

It was a Juvee 1 game, so what does that make them 12 and under? It wasn't my legion league yawetag it was a league that I just get called to fill in every once in awhile.

With the earlier arguement it was probably worth a toss, but what he was yelling "Watch for the pause" Over and over again I just assumedhe was yelling until I looked over there.

Probably worth an ejection but I just didn't want to jump the gun.

[Rich Ives]

Interference is always an immediate dead ball (except for CI). R2 out, BR to 1st, unless you had an obvious double play (which this doesn't necessarily sound like).

The "obvious double play" only works with FED rules. In other rules you need willful and intentional intent by the runner to break up a DP before you can call it.

[ukce1861]

The "obvious double play" only works with FED rules. In other rules you need willful and intentional intent by the runner to break up a DP before you can call it.

Another spot-on correction... So I was like 1/3 right...:2cents: