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Us: "The game did start on time. Your phone is two minutes slow. Complain to Apple."

The level of play is important. My last active year or two, I was working mostly U10-U12, where you have to be patient. The pitcher starting before the batter was set? How about before the catcher and I were set! These were not really quick pitches, just inexperienced players who did not have a clue. I'd put my hand up in the stop sign; if that didn't work, I'd call time and tell the pitcher to wait until we're all set; ultimately, I often had to talk to the coach between innings. Sooner or later, the lesson would sink in. I never had an argument about how I handled this.

Rules often must be construed together. Read 7.01(g)(3) in light of 5.08(a): "A run is not scored if the runner advances to home base during a play in which the third out is made (1) by the batter-runner before he touches first base...." And to emphasize the point: "Rule 5.08 Comment: APPROVED RULING: No run shall score during a play in which the third out is made by the batter-runner before he touches first base." Good try, though.

Sorry if my comment came across as critical. Maybe my terse style came across as negative, but I always try to be constructive. I merely suggested there was another lesson to be learned.

Somewhat more details: https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/high-school/2022/05/15/scas-2-a-baseball-title-marred-benson-players-postgame-punch/9786305002/

When considering whether the rules allow an umpire to correct a misapplication of the rules, as I've argued, or whether a team must file a formal protest, a protest is not always an available option. PIAA, for example, does not recognize protests. (Yes, I know the OP was not a scholastic contest, but the point remains.) Another practical reason, besides the points beerguy55 made, to apply the clear language of 8.02 (b,c).

I may be wrong, but I seem to recall that some states require officials (in some sports?) stay and observe this ritual. In any event, someone will have recorded such incidents, as here, and referrals to the state athletic association and the criminal authorities are likely to ensue.

My guess is that everyone of us has had a similar moment. It happens. As JonnyCat said, admit the mistake and correct it, but don't compound it because of the optics--that is, you thought the pitch was properly a strike, but because of your verbal, you stood by the ball call. As for volume, modulate: the tighter a call, the more volume. Don't oversell a call that doesn't need it. A pitch in the dirt may need a quiet ball audible only to the catcher and batter--everyone else knows what the pitch was. Both questions--why it happened and how to fix it when it does (the OP's query)--are worthwhile asking and discussing.

I should have made it clear that I was addressing only the OBR rule set: "In the OP, under OBR, the coach's position is only a potential problem...."

5.03(c): "Base coaches must remain within the coach’s box consistent with this Rule, except that a coach who has a play at his base may leave the coach’s box to signal the player to slide, advance or return to a base if the coach does not interfere with the play in any manner." 5.03(c) Penalty: "If a coach has positioned himself closer to home plate than the coach’s box or closer to fair territory than the coach’s box before a batted ball passes the coach, the umpire shall, upon complaint by the opposing manager, strictly enforce the rule. The umpire shall warn the coach and instruct him to return to the box. If the coach does not return to the box he shall be removed from the game." Echoing the rule, the 2014 PBUC Umpire Manual states that "until a batted ball passes the coach,the coach is not permitted to positioned himself closer to home plate than the coach’s box nor closer to fair territory than the coach's box. Otherwise a coach shall not be considered out of the box unless the opposing manage complains, in which case the umpire shall strictly enforce the rule...." In the OP, the coach's position is only a potential problem, but one that should (must?) be raised by the opposing team, not by the umpire on his/her own initiative.

The FED rule is 6-1-3 Penalty: "The ball is dead immediately when an illegal pitch occurs. If there is no runner, a ball is awarded the batter. If there is a runner, such illegal act is a balk. In both situations, the umpire signals dead ball." With no runners on in OBR, the no-stop is not illegal, although the pitcher may not quick pitch. "Rule 5.07(a)(2) Comment: With no runners on base, the pitcher is not required to come to a complete stop when using the Set Position. If, however, in the umpire's judgment, a pitcher delivers the ball in a deliberate effort to catch the batter off guard, this delivery shall be deemed a quick pitch, for which the penalty is a ball."

Are you certain this is correct? Perhaps the tech visit was treated like an injury visit? It doesn't take much to set Boone off. He could have been complaining about a call three innings earlier.

OBR 8.02(b): "If there is reasonable doubt that any umpire's decision may be in conflict with the rules, the manager may appeal the decision and ask that a correct ruling be made." We are then directed to 8.02(c). When the PU called the batter out, he made a call that was in conflict with the rules: the batter was not "out" on the U3K. 5.05(a)(2): he became a runner when the third strike was not caught. This is reflected in the mechanic, where we use the "safe/arms out" signal, not the hammer, chainsaw or other "out" signal. We're not talking about a judgment call. If the umpire had not misapplied the rules, what would the result have been? That is the appropriate remedy, consistent with 8.02(b,c).

Please provide a rule citation, as this is in conflict with the rules I cited, as well as the opinions by beerguy55 and noumpere. And, Velho, you've omitted "swirl."

OBR 8.02(c) states, in part, "If the umpires consult after a play and change a call that had been made, then they have the authority to take all steps that they may deem necessary, in their discretion, to eliminate the results and consequences of the earlier call that they are reversing, including placing runners where they think those runners would have been after the play, had the ultimate call been made as the initial call...." NFHS 10-2-3l states that the UIC has the authority to "[r]ectify any situation in which an umpire’s decision that was reversed has placed either team at a disadvantage."

I'm inferring that the OP game was one umpire, illustrating one of the many pitfalls of working solo--you have no partner with whom to confer. "Wait a minute. Time! [if not already called]" Walks over to partner and says, "Help me out here. I want to make sure I/we get this right. The rule is...."

"You're right, coach, they can't wear wristbands on their belt, but I'm not going to enforce it." I have always been in the "don't be that OOO" camp, and I agree that this issue has nothing to do with playing the game fairly, but something about ignoring a violation that a coach has brought to your attention doesn't sit well with me. Senor Azul's approach seems reasonable to me: "OK, Coach, you're right. I'll enforce it for both teams." I wouldn't like being in that position, but do I have a reasonable, legitimate option when the rule is clear? And when there is a rule against wristbands on belts, this is not a matter of judgment, i.e., whether it's distracting.

And while you were nipping, you might have started much earlier. The resulting "silence" would have been so peaceful!

SleptTilNoonLOL, it makes life a little simpler if you specify the rule set in your question, or note something like "all rule sets." Now we someone needs to chime in with the NCAA reference.

In OBR, the rule is 5.06(b)(3)(E): "Each runner, other than the batter, may without liability to be put out, advance one base when...[a] fielder deliberately touches a pitched ball with his cap, mask or any part of his uniform detached from its proper place on his person. The ball is in play, and the award is made from the position of the runner at the time the ball was touched."

The point jimurray was making is that a pitcher may throw to an unoccupied base for "the purpose of making a play." OBR 6.02(a)(4). The NFHS rule allows the pitcher to throw an unoccupied base in "an attempt to put out or drive back a runner." 6-2-4(b). In your case, Guest Umpire L, the play would be on the runner attempting to steal third. Caveat: I assume USSSA rules have the same or similar exception.

Ejections will come easier now.

This still begs the question. Coach: "How can you make that call?" Umpire: "X said so." [X = Jim Evans, Matt LNU, Carl Childress, FNU Hopkins, or, for the hell of it, Jaksa/Roder]

"The 1st inning I'm already hearing it from the VT dugout (These are 11-12 year olds...), this goes on for about an inning and a half " I know this is an old thread, but it's always timely to remind ourselves that "we promote what we permit."

The 2013 Wendelstedt interpretation makes no sense to me. Three outs or four outs--why the distinction? Besides the members of this forum, who would know that interpretation? This is the kind of arcane distinction that has made, over the years, the rules increasingly difficult to know, understand and apply. (Said this grouchy old man.)