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Thank you for your thoughts. 1. Maven, we pregamed how to warn a partner if you had extra information for a partner on a play. I looked at both base umpires and saw no signal. 2. Ken, Yes it is a check swing appeal,. but more, which is why I did not make an appeal which i can legally do. I saw at least half the bat if not more, and it didn't move until after the batter got hit. I heard it hit the hands, and was sure the barrel did not move. that was enough for me to demonstrate no attempt. BU may be able to see hands and bat, but I am not convinced U1 or U3 could tell me if the bat moved because the batter was trying to get out of the way or trying to bunt the ball. 3. Like Maven said, if I am checking the swing I an conferring with both my base umpires. But after the enlightening discussion I am still convinced I did the right thing under the circumstances. It is my call, Its a HPB situation fiorst, not a check swing appeal, and in Fed I could make the call. My responsibility, own your call. .

J, please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe NCAA added this as an interpretation a year or several years ago then put in the rule book this year.

Yes, because it is not a scoring decision, it is a rule governing when a game or inning, or play ends. The note mandates that a certain action must happen on the field in order for a run to score, and it is not covered in rule seven or eight. If you want to keep the note there that's fine with me, but it needs to be added to the playing rules, not just the scoring rules. An analogous situation would be putting in a note that says if detached player equipment touches a thrown ball the batter shall be credited with a triple, and not put it in rule two as a minimum three base award.

On a totally different issue with this whole problem; 1. I would bet you dollars to donuts that the crew was not sure of the rule because they work other levels of baseball where its only the Batter and R3 that matter in this case. So they had to call someone to see if the appeal was legal, which leads me to point two. 2. As far as I know this addition to 9-1-1 is the wrong place to have this note!!!! This is the only rule or interpretation in Rule 9 that I know of that applies to the way the game is played or the outcome of a contest. the rest of the rule is only about stats for the game. If FED wants this rule/interpretation to be applied in a proper manner according to them (i.e. all runners forced to advanced must touch the base they are forced to advance to), then it needs to be moved to rule 7 under appeals, or rule 8-2 or 8-4 (when the batter or runner is out). Rule nine is the wrong place for it. If this interpretation is in a different part of the rule book or case book, please let us know, and if there are other interpretations in rule 9 that affect how the game is played on the field please let us know.

Really disappointed to hear this is the case. I've used Honigs for years, even got stuff at an NCAA meeting this year from them. If they are now web only, won; tbe doing business with them in the future.

This is a very interesting thread, more than I expected. May I ask for opinions. Ohio District tournament game, I'm on the plate, 3 man crew with R1. Count is 0-0. Batter squares, pitch is directly at his midsection. Batter more or less flinches as the pitch clearly hits him in the right hand, bat never moved until he dropped it. I called the HPB, sent him to 1B. Here comes the HC. "John, I know the ball hit him but he offered at the pitch." "Sir, I'm sorry but in my judgment the bat did not move toward the ball and it hit his hand. He tried to move his body to avoid the pitch, but clearly there is no movement of the bat to the ball." "John, I think you are wrong, will you please check that with you 1B umpire?" "I understand your point, but in this case i am not going to my partner sir, my partner is not going to have a better view of the play than I had." Head coach walks back to the dugout, Two batters and one double play later the inning is over with no runs score. In NCAA/OBR I am checking with R1 by rule, but there is a gray area here. Can BU/U1 really have a better view than the PU on a ball inside the body frame of a batter to make a judgment call that the batter's bat is moving because his body is moving or flinching to get out of the way? Unless the bat was clearly moving at the ball, and I did not see the bat head/barrel move, it seems that BU/U1 has no way to make the judgment of a flinch vs. offer in that situation. After the game both of my partners said that from their view/perspective said i got the call right, the only thing that moved was the batter's body, not the bat. Still, maybe in retrospect I should have checked with my R1, but I was so sure of my call and it is FED, I didn't. As an aside, if I did go to U1 I really feel that a simple check swing would not be appropriate, I would have conferred with both partners. Agree or disagree? Thanks for your time. .

Thank you for all the information, I appreciate it.

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FED only: R1, outs don't matter. F1 in contact with pitcher's plate in set position, drops ball. Immediate Dead ball balk correct? Unlike other codes you do not let the ball roll to see if it crosses foul line? After posting immediately goes back to hide in corner in the hope nobody notices who asks the question ......

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Maven, With all due respect, 'decades' might be a little too long. if I'm not mistaken the dead ball appeal made it into the Fed book around 1999-2001, after the Rules Committee had the good sense to get rid of the rule where the umpire called the missed base or left too soon call without an appeal by the defense, one of the worst rule changes in the history of Baseball on any level. I think it only lasted for four or five years before it disappeared.

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Not wanting to brag, but I got 98 the first time through and I think this is the question I missed (maybe), if the Senor is correct. But as Mr. M says I do not understand how this could be made out to be the 2nd trip for that pitcher, since he just came in the game, and PH has been announced. It almost makes me want to buy the 2017 BRD (RIP Carl ).

Ah, With all due respect I disagree. If everyone stops who gains an advantage on the play? If you do not communicate so that everyone on the field and in both dugouts do not hear what you are calling, then you add confusion to the play, making everything worse. You still have a play going on, and if you do not make it clear you have OBS, INF, whatever, you are giving the defense the advantage when it was their error. If you yell and both sides stop playing you can let it go until the play ends then make the award. If you have ten guys watching a game with duct tape over their mouths and the dugouts 15 feet from the plate, just saying something might be fine. Use your voice and sell it.

Ah men, I have a question. In FED that is catcher's obstruction not interference. May I suggest that in FED that yelling 'That's Obstruction!" or "that's Catcher's Obstruction" is the better way to sell the play? Yes, I know OBR defines it as Catcher's INF. However, many times we are not dealing with College, professional or adult players who know what Catcher's Interference is. Comments?

What play was that?

Back to the original play in question; In both NCAA and Fed I still have an out. In Fed, 8-4-2-h-2 says: "(Runner is out if he) is touched by a live ball securely held by a fielder or is touched by a fielder's glove or hand with the live ball held therein, while the runner is not ­touching his base.... 2. The ball is not securely held if it is dropped or juggled after the runner is touched. Neither criteria applies in this situation. Ball was not dropped by F2, ball was not juggled by F2. He took his hand out of the glove due to injury and the ball fell out of the glove after the act. You have an out. In NCAA, the definition of tag in 2-76 says... "the fielder shall maintain or regain control of his body and if he drops the ball due to his lack of body control or control of the ball, it is not a tag. A voluntary and and intentional release is substantive proof of complete control." I may be OOO'ing the definition here, but 'substantive proof' does not preclude other proofs of control. I have a very hard time saying that F2 lost control of the ball after getting spiked by the runner. He lost control of the ball after the tag and act of being spiked. He had clear control of the ball until he was spiked, I got an out. and while I admit this situation might not be analogous, what about the play Rick Ankile made what three or four seasons ago when he caught a ball, hit the wall or the ground with his head, and obviously concussed lifted up his glove and the ball fell out. I was sitting in Chicago when the NCAA leadership showed the clip and the ball falling out of his glove as he lifted his hand/glove to show he had the ball and saying that it was a catch even though the ball rolled out of his glove. Comments? .