Brothers, obviously The Game lives and breathes by the rules. And of course, there is the umpire's judgement. We are not mind readers, we cannot read intent (unless of course a player or coach were to announce their intent prior to their action...unlikely, but, I can hope).
I often find on these types of plays, like so many unusual or irregular plays and rulings (irregular and unusual for players and coaches, never for umpires...) that it's all in how we engage and speak. Your Verbal Judo, if you will, which is an excellent book. No camp or Zoom call or PowerPoint or simulator can teach you this. You learn this by doing.
(For example, not related to this call being discussed above...) A simple, "Coach, by rule, it's not about intent on interference. It's about what happened on the play. Did the runner hinder or interfere with the fielder while in the act of fielding the baseball? In my judgement he did and the runner is out."...has been very effective for me.
~Dawg