Well, you get a saddle seat whether you get base or plate on the Mizuno⦠They are very dark, flat front. The material is thin⦠thinner than Smitty, but I donāt know about Gerry Davis. For the price point itās a good pant. I would say itās a good summer pant for high heat. The belt loop that goes in between the ball bags is a little off center⦠I had to remove them and reposition them. Lucky I own a sewing machine⦠But donāt tell anybody I own a sewing machine. I have a reputation to protectā¦..