Scored Runner INT

[Velho]

Bases loaded triple. Throw comes in up the 1B line. F2 gets tangled with scored runner.

Are you grabbing an out? Which runner? 

 

[BLWizzRanger]

Ok, I will bite....  two outs, right?

Since R1 hadn't scored yet as he was coming home when the interference occurred, I have the out on him.  Even if you had the out on the BR, end of inning, R1 doesn't score.

Studying up on my MSU Theory exam.  Hopefully, I have it correct.

 

[jimurrayalterego]

48 minutes ago, BLWizzRanger said:

Ok, I will bite....  two outs, right?

Since R1 hadn't scored yet as he was coming home when the interference occurred, I have the out on him.  Even if you had the out on the BR, end of inning, R1 doesn't score.

Studying up on my MSU Theory exam.  Hopefully, I have it correct.

 

I think we can say that the throw was close enough for F2 to try to field it so it's teammate interference. R1 wouldn't be the runner whom would have been played on so the B-R would be out and without replay I could see scoring R1. But replay would have him not touching HP TOI.

[BLWizzRanger]

Gosh, I hope the PU could see it in real time as his position straight lined up with the plate and interference.  I would hope he could see that the interference occurred before the plate was touched.  

Would it matter that the interference was at the edge of the circle vice near the backstop (elsewhere)?  Either way, F2 couldn't/wouldn't have a play on R1 as it was too far away. But, R1 was coming in to score.  Interference with F2 by a non-runner teammate/spectator/coach with a runner coming in to score always has the out being applied to the scoring runner, or the runner closest to home plate, correct? 

[jimurrayalterego]

1 hour ago, BLWizzRanger said:

Gosh, I hope the PU could see it in real time as his position straight lined up with the plate and interference.  I would hope he could see that the interference occurred before the plate was touched.  

Would it matter that the interference was at the edge of the circle vice near the backstop (elsewhere)?  Either way, F2 couldn't/wouldn't have a play on R1 as it was too far away. But, R1 was coming in to score.  Interference with F2 by a non-runner teammate/spectator/coach with a runner coming in to score always has the out being applied to the scoring runner, or the runner closest to home plate, correct? 

"6.01(b).....................................If a member of the team at bat (other than a runner) hinders a fielder’s attempt to field a thrown ball, the ball is dead, the runner on whom the play is being made shall be declared out and all runners return to the last legally occupied base at the time of the interference."

[BLWizzRanger]

NCAA:
8-5 A runner is out when:

8-5(q): Any member of the offensive team does not vacate any live-ball area, thus interfering with a defensive player attempting to field a batted or thrown ball.  This includes the batter, once the pitch has crossed the plate: or 

Penalties for q. --

(1) If there is a play at the plate, with fewer than two outs, the runner is out and any other runners return to the base occupied at the time of the interference.

(2) If there are two outs, the batter is out.

[jimurrayalterego]

1 hour ago, BLWizzRanger said:

NCAA:
8-5 A runner is out when:

8-5(q): Any member of the offensive team does not vacate any live-ball area, thus interfering with a defensive player attempting to field a batted or thrown ball.  This includes the batter, once the pitch has crossed the plate: or 

Penalties for q. --

(1) If there is a play at the plate, with fewer than two outs, the runner is out and any other runners return to the base occupied at the time of the interference.

(2) If there are two outs, the batter is out.

Some cleaning up to do with that rule. (2) The batter is out but is he out before touching 1B when he touched it safely and is on 2B?

(1) If there is not 2 outs and no play at the plate who is "the runner"?

[JSam21]

8 hours ago, jimurrayalterego said:

Some cleaning up to do with that rule. (2) The batter is out but is he out before touching 1B when he touched it safely and is on 2B?

(1) If there is not 2 outs and no play at the plate who is "the runner"?

There is no batter in this play, only runners. The runner being referred to is the one who the play would be made on. If you are unsure of which runner was being played on, then we get the runner closest to home plate. 

In this video, in real time, we are likely scoring R1 and getting the BR as the 3rd out. With replay, we would have R1 as the 3rd out. 

[beerguy55]

btw - it's not a triple, it's a double...BR stopped at second base and only advanced when/because the INT occurred.  

 

Hypothetical 1 - someone manages to make the argument that F2 was making a play on BR (it would be more realistic if he moved towards the ball in front of the plate with an obvious move to go after that runner, but bear with me) ...BR would be out.  R1's run is erased because he hadn't reached home yet at TOI?  If there was only 1 out, R1 is returned to third base?

Hypothetical 2 - R1 scores before INT and BR makes no attempt to advance...he had already stopped at second, and stayed at second even after the ball got away from F2.  Still out? He was hindered from catching the throw...but not hindered from making a play on any runner.

 

Thanks

[Velho]

4 hours ago, beerguy55 said:

Hypothetical 1 - someone manages to make the argument that F2 was making a play on BR (it would be more realistic if he moved towards the ball in front of the plate with an obvious move to go after that runner, but bear with me) ...BR would be out.  R1's run is erased because he hadn't reached home yet at TOI?  If there was only 1 out, R1 is returned to third base?

Yes. Yes.

4 hours ago, beerguy55 said:

Hypothetical 2 - R1 scores before INT and BR makes no attempt to advance...he had already stopped at second, and stayed at second even after the ball got away from F2.  Still out? He was hindered from catching the throw...but not hindered from making a play on any runner.

"[Defense] Coach, there wan't anything interfered with"

Depending how I read the room - and at a later moment "[Offense coach] your guys needs to stay out of the way"

 

I for one, would love to have rule support for killing plays like this so, even if the runner tried to advance solely because of the INT, we could kill it.