Another flyball on the wall

[Jack_Wick]

Hello everyone, 

I have another question regarding the situation where a fly ball hits the outerfield wall.

OBR

 

I read also this from MLBUM:

"1. Unless provided otherwise by local ground rule, a fair fly ball striking the top of the outfield wall and bounding back onto the playing field shall be treated the same as a fair fly ball that strikes the outfield wall and rebounds back onto the playing field (in play but may not be caught for the purposes of an out)."

If the ball hit the wall's face, wouldn't it still be possible to catch it on the fly (for an out)?

 

"2. Unless provided otherwise by local ground rule, a fair fly ball striking the top of the outfield wall and bounding over the wall shall be ruled a home run."

Ok. 

"3. Unless provided otherwise by local ground rule, a fair fly ball striking the top of the outfield wall and remaining on the top of the wall shall be deemed a ground-rule double."

3.1. But whay a ground-rule double? 

3.2. What if it bounces more than once? 

3.3. Or if it bounces more than once and then just sits there? I think it would still be a double, right? 

3.4. Or if it bounces more than once and then gets caught right there, on the top of the wall, still bouncing, by a fielder?

 

I add these:

4. Fair flyball hits a fielder in fair territory and goes over the wall: a homerun.

5. Fair flyball hits fielder > wall and goes over: a homerun? 

6.Fair flyball hits wall > fielder > wall and goes over: a homerun? 

7. Fair flyball hits wall > fielder and goes over: a homerun? 

8. Fair flyball hits wall > fielder and then goes over the fence in foul territory: a double? 

9. Fair flyball hits wall > fielder and finally simply lands in foul territory: a ball in play? 

10. Fair flyball hits wall in fair territory > goes directly out, but on the foul territory side: a double? 

11. Fair flyball hits wall in fair territory > bounces into foul territory and then goes out of there. Double?

12. Fair flyball hits wall in fair territory > bounces on a fielder who was in foul territory and then goes out of there. Double?

13. Fair flyball hits the wall in fair territory > bounces off a fielder who was in foul territory and then stays there. Is the ball in play, with no chance of catching it for an out?

14. Fair flyball hits wall and on the first bounce (or more) on top of the wall is caught by a fielder, who tries to prevent the ball from falling out for a homer. In this case, the ball is in play but not a catch, which is valid for an out?

15. Any fair fly ball that hits the face of the wall, not the top, in which case the ball would be in play but no catch for out would be possible?

 

These are extreme cases

16. Fair fly ball hits in order: top of the wall > a fielder > runner on fair territory, is runner out?

17. Fair fly ball hits in order: top of the wall > runner, out?

18. Fair fly ball hits in order: top of the wall > fielder in fair > fielder in foul > over fair wall, home run?

19. Fair fly ball hits in order: top of the wall > fielder in foul > over fair wall, homerun?

20. Fair fly ball hits in order: top of the wall > fielder in fouil > fielder in fair > over fair wall, homerun?

21.Fair fly ball hits in order: top of the wall > Fielder in fair > fielder in fouil and then in fair hits a runner, out?

22. Fair fly ball hits in order: fielder in fair > fielder in foul > hits runner in fair, out?

 

Thank you.

[Velho]

25 minutes ago, Jack_Wick said:

16. Fair fly ball hits in order: top of the wall > a fielder > runner on fair territory, is runner out?

Now I KNOW this is AI. No localization or language issue can explain away this being asked.

[beerguy55]

1 hour ago, Jack_Wick said:

If the ball hit the wall's face, wouldn't it still be possible to catch it on the fly (for an out)?

In OBR view definitions of CATCH and IN FLIGHT to get your answer.

 

2 hours ago, Jack_Wick said:

3. Unless provided otherwise by local ground rule, a fair fly ball striking the top of the outfield wall and remaining on the top of the wall shall be deemed a ground-rule double."

3.1. But whay a ground-rule double? 

Because the rulebook says so.  Why is a ball lodged in the fence a GRD?  Why is a ball lost in the ivy at Wrigley field a double?  Why do zebras have stripes?  Where do babies come from?  Why is AI not intelligent?

 

2 hours ago, Jack_Wick said:

3.2. What if it bounces more than once?

If it's still bouncing it's not a GRD, or anything else, yet.  It's a fair ball that could still become a GRD, a homerun, or a live ball played by the fielder.

 

2 hours ago, Jack_Wick said:

Or if it bounces more than once and then gets caught right there, on the top of the wall, still bouncing, by a fielder?

If that happens, did at "remain on top of the wall"?

 

2 hours ago, Jack_Wick said:

These are extreme cases

16. Fair fly ball hits in order: top of the wall > a fielder > runner on fair territory, is runner out?

17. Fair fly ball hits in order: top of the wall > runner, out?

18. Fair fly ball hits in order: top of the wall > fielder in fair > fielder in foul > over fair wall, home run?

19. Fair fly ball hits in order: top of the wall > fielder in foul > over fair wall, homerun?

20. Fair fly ball hits in order: top of the wall > fielder in fouil > fielder in fair > over fair wall, homerun?

21.Fair fly ball hits in order: top of the wall > Fielder in fair > fielder in fouil and then in fair hits a runner, out?

22. Fair fly ball hits in order: fielder in fair > fielder in foul > hits runner in fair, out?

Proof that ChatGPT isn't ready to take over the world.

[love to ump]

questions about the "outerfield" wall...can't wait till it asks about the innerfield fly rules!!

[Jack_Wick]

22 hours ago, Velho said:

Now I KNOW this is AI. No localization or language issue can explain away this being asked.

Yes, I am terminator...

 I've honestly been called a thousand things, but I've been missing being called an artificial intelligence. I hope that's a compliment.

1. Anyway, getting back to the topic, if the ball bounces off the top of the wall, could a fielder catch it there? Precisely to prevent it from falling and becoming a homerun, or from stopping there and becoming a double.

2. If the ball hits a fielder and the top several times and then goes out, would it be a homerun by extension?

3. If the ball hits the top of the wall and then lands/touches a fielder in foul territory, would it still be a live ball? But would it be a double only if, after hitting the top, the ball bounces in foul territory or a fielder, and in both cases, it ends up out of bounds on the foul side, or if, after bouncing off the top, it lands directly out of bounds on the foul side?

4. If the ball bounces off the top of the wall or the face of the wall and then hits a runner, wouldn't the runner be out?

[BLWizzRanger]

59 minutes ago, Jack_Wick said:

Yes, I am terminator...

 I've honestly been called a thousand things, but I've been missing being called an artificial intelligence. I hope that's a compliment.

1. Anyway, getting back to the topic, if the ball bounces off the top of the wall, could a fielder catch it there? Precisely to prevent it from falling and becoming a homerun, or from stopping there and becoming a double.

2. If the ball hits a fielder and the top several times and then goes out, would it be a homerun by extension?

3. If the ball hits the top of the wall and then lands/touches a fielder in foul territory, would it still be a live ball? But would it be a double only if, after hitting the top, the ball bounces in foul territory or a fielder, and in both cases, it ends up out of bounds on the foul side, or if, after bouncing off the top, it lands directly out of bounds on the foul side?

4. If the ball bounces off the top of the wall or the face of the wall and then hits a runner, wouldn't the runner be out?

He is self aware.  That makes him an AI 2.0 or Terminator 2.0.

Number 4 above... talk about abandonment... jeesh... if you don't get it called there, are you even trying?

[beerguy55]

4 hours ago, Jack_Wick said:

1. Anyway, getting back to the topic, if the ball bounces off the top of the wall, could a fielder catch it there? Precisely to prevent it from falling and becoming a homerun, or from stopping there and becoming a double.

He could prevent it from becoming a homerun, and attempt to make a play on the runner(s), but it would not be a "catch".

4 hours ago, Jack_Wick said:

4. If the ball bounces off the top of the wall or the face of the wall and then hits a runner, wouldn't the runner be out?

Show me the rule that would support the runner being called out...HINT: it doesn't exist.

[BigBlue4u]

No way am I going to get sucked in to replying to this mess.

[Jack_Wick]

On 9/17/2025 at 9:06 PM, beerguy55 said:

Show me the rule that would support the runner being called out...HINT: it doesn't exist.

No, I meant that the top of the wall is part of the regular playing field? Because if the ball touches there, then the catch can no longer be made, the runner can no longer be eliminated by it. If it bounces on the ground, whether fair or foul, and then exits on the foul side, it would be a double (?), but if the ball touches the top of the wall, it would be a homerun, when in my opinion it would be more logical for it to be a double. 
Because it touches the ground (therefore, that would be the definition of a double ground) before exiting on the homerun side. However, this is just my personal opinion; I understand that the rule provides, in this exceptional case, only homeruns, even though technically the ball would have touched the field anyway, or if the ball stops there, it is a double.

 

On 9/17/2025 at 9:06 PM, beerguy55 said:

He could prevent it from becoming a homerun, and attempt to make a play on the runner(s), but it would not be a "catch".

I have doubts about these situations:

1. The ball hits a fielder in fair territory, then hits the wall and finally goes out. I think this could be a homerun, correct?

2. The ball bounces off the fielder, the fielder tries to catch it to avoid a homerun, but he touches it but the ball still falls out, would it be a homerun?

3. The ball bounces off the fielder then bounces off the wall and there the fielder tries to catch it, touches it but then the ball bounces off the wall again and then ends up out, homerun?

[beerguy55]

The AI is getting confused - I'm imagining Star Trek TOS when they put Nomad in a logic loop and he explodes.