from saturday

[dumbdumb]

i thought the way to figure it out was...did the batter chase the ball or did the ball chase the batter. just a good play to watch no matter the judgment that is rendered

https://tmspn.com/controversial-call-over-little-known-college-baseball-rule-ignites-uproar-in-national-championship-series/

[zoops]

Looks pretty clear that he moved his elbow down in an effort to get HBP.  

[Thatsnotyou]

One thousand percent got himself hit. 

[grayhawk]

Almost identical to the one on Coastal Carolina earlier in the CWS. Both called intentional (both were). Interestingly, both were called HBP by DeBrauwere live.

[MadMax]

12 hours ago, grayhawk said:

Interestingly, both were called HBP by DeBrauwere live.

Speculation – Much like a OBS call at home plate in MLB, the PU in a NCAA game w/ review is (likely? perhaps?) coached to call what happens, and then details are reviewed. 

[grayhawk]

1 hour ago, MadMax said:

Speculation – Much like a OBS call at home plate in MLB, the PU in a NCAA game w/ review is (likely? perhaps?) coached to call what happens, and then details are reviewed. 

I don't believe that to be the case. Just call what you see, and DeBrauwere saw both of them the same given one look at full speed. We all have the luxury of (a) knowing it would happen, so we focus on the elbow, (b) having multiple looks and angles to see it. Neither of these were big movements by the batter, so I can see how he didn't get them in real time.

[Richvee]

4 hours ago, MadMax said:

Speculation – Much like a OBS call at home plate in MLB, the PU in a NCAA game w/ review is (likely? perhaps?) coached to call what happens, and then details are reviewed. 

I'll be at a camp end of July and hoping Brian will be there. If I remember to ask, , maybe there will be a spot I can bring this up. 

Another thing to consider...We're tracking the ball..Not watching the batter's actions. One time, full speed, a lot of these look like a batter spinning out of the way. It's only when we slow it down, and/or focus solely on the batter through the replay that we say "Oh, yeah, 100% intentional"  

Oh, and kudos to Brian who had an outstanding CWS. 

[MadMax]

6 hours ago, grayhawk said:

I don't believe that to be the case. Just call what you see, and DeBrauwere saw both of them the same given one look at full speed.

I’m not placing the burden on DeBrauwere, nor saying he fell short or deficient in not calling this; quite the contrary! There are too many “ancillary imperatives” placed upon umpires – especially PUs – that unduly over-complicate or over-tax the processing of umpire duties. 

In no way am I saying that we should have less duties. Nor am I griping about having too many burdens. Instead, there should be less imperatives. And, those imperatives need to be prioritized, and their use – or, more importantly, their non-use – should not be used as some sort of metric or scale regarding one’s quality of effectiveness as an umpire. 

Why? 

Because too many “evaluators” or instructors heap all these imperatives upon umpires – especially PUs – in the form of “have to’s”. 

“You have to be aware of the clock.” … “You have to grab that/those check swing(s).” 
“You have to keep everyone in their dugout(s).” 
“You have to get that he (Batter) intentionally got HBP.” 
Ad-freakin’-nauseum. 

Those are all important components of officiating a baseball game as an umpire. However, there’s an irony at play… if they’re so unilaterally important, then why did a CWS umpire “miss” them? Is he going to get an “evaluator” harping at him about “gotta be better”? Better than whom? Himself, since he’s a CWS umpire?? 
And again, if they’re so unilaterally important that we have multi-angle video review available so as to capture and adjudicate those minute details – that even a CWS umpire misses – then why isn’t this video review available at all levels of college baseball? Wouldn’t that make for better, more effective umpiring at those “lower” levels than over-taxing the umpires at those levels, where they’re too few already? 

[zoops]

5 hours ago, Richvee said:

Another thing to consider...We're tracking the ball..Not watching the batter's actions. One time, full speed, a lot of these look like a batter spinning out of the way. It's only when we slow it down, and/or focus solely on the batter through the replay that we say "Oh, yeah, 100% intentional"  

Very good point IMO.  Players as talented as these ones are pretty good at making it look inadvertent and in the split second it happens when it's not even our primary focus...they're tough in real time.  And you certainly don't want to call it unless you're 100% sure of it.