High school nfhs live ball appeal play

[Larry Watson]

High school game tonight.  1 out bases loaded. Fly ball to left field for an out.  The runner from third tags and crosses the plate.  The  Runner from second leaves early. Throw comes into the cutoff man then goes directly to second base where the second baseman touches second and the runner leaving second is called out.  The inning is over but umpires allow the run to count. Is this correct? My argument was if the runner that started on second base was tagged on the appeal the run counts but because the ball went to second and the out was recorded there the run should not have counted

[grayhawk]

13 minutes ago, Larry Watson said:

High school game tonight.  1 out bases loaded. Fly ball to left field for an out.  The runner from third tags and crosses the plate.  The  Runner from second leaves early. Throw comes into the cutoff man then goes directly to second base where the second baseman touches second and the runner leaving second is called out.  The inning is over but umpires allow the run to count. Is this correct? My argument was if the runner that started on second base was tagged on the appeal the run counts but because the ball went to second and the out was recorded there the run should not have counted

It's a time play either way. Tagging the runner and tagging the base are both appeals, so if R3 scored before the appeal was completed, then the run scores. This is not a force out.

[JonnyCat]

12 minutes ago, Larry Watson said:

 The inning is over but umpires allow the run to count. Is this correct?

Yes, this is correct. The play you described is an appeal play. The defense appealed that R2 left early, and was declared out on a proper appeal.

In this case, timing matters. Since the run scored prior to the appeal, the run counts. Sometimes an appeal play can erase a run(s) off the scoreboard. This is not one of those cases.

[noumpere]

7 hours ago, Larry Watson said:

My argument was if the runner that started on second base was tagged on the appeal the run counts but because the ball went to second and the out was recorded there the run should not have counted

Ask yourself if that really makes sense.  They are both appeal outs -- you can make an appeal by tagging the runner or by tagging the base.  So, they are treated the same.

[beerguy55]

10 hours ago, Larry Watson said:

My argument was if the runner that started on second base was tagged on the appeal the run counts but because the ball went to second and the out was recorded there the run should not have counted

A force is a status assigned to the runner, NOT the method of the putout.  It's created by the batter becoming a runner, FORCING the runner on first to advance...which forces the runner on second to advance, and so on.

Tagging the runner can be a force out, and tagging the base isn't necessarily a force out.

Force outs can occur by tagging the runner or the base.

Appeal outs can occur by tagging the runner or the base.

An appeal for leaving early is not a force.