What does NCAA have on this case play?

[Richvee]

MiLBUM Play 5

Runners on 1st and 2nd, both stealing. Batter shows bunt. F3 and F5 move in. F6 moves to cover 3B. The batter swings at the last minute and hits a ground ball in the direction of the SS position. However, the shortstop has moved to cover third base, and no one is in position to field the ball. The ground ball strikes the runner advancing from 2B.

 

Ruling- The runner from 2B is declared out for being struck by a batted ball. The BR is placed at 1B. The ball is not considered to have gone through or by an infielder in this play.

 

Does NCAA rule the same? 

I ask because  8-5-K says

The runner, including a runner in contact with a base, is hit while in fair territory by a fair batted ball before it has touched a fielder including the pitcher or passed all infielders who have a chance to make a play on the ball. 

 

Then, 6-2-e again says Passed all infielders who have a chance to make a play, and then the note references the "through or by" like OBR

 

Note: If a fair ball goes through or by an infielder and touches a runner immediately in back of them or touches the runner after having been deflected by any fielder including the pitcher, the umpire shall not declare the runner out for being touched by a batted ball. This refers to a ball that passes through the infielder’s legs, or by the immediate vicinity, and strikes the runner directly behind the infielder. In making such a decision, the umpire must be convinced that the ball passed through, or by, the infielder and that no other infielder had a chance to make a play on the ball.

 

So, my question is, does NCAA align with OBR, that the ball must be through or by an infielder and hit the runner directly behind that fielder to "play on"? (assuming no other infielder has a chance to make a play on the ball)

 

Or, would this case play be ruled "play on" in NCAA since the ball passed by the third baseman, who was playing in, but well out of his reach, (so not through or by, but "passed") and no other infielder had a play on it? 

[jimurrayalterego]

8 minutes ago, Richvee said:

MiLBUM Play 5

Runners on 1st and 2nd, both stealing. Batter shows bunt. F3 and F5 move in. F6 moves to cover 3B. The batter swings at the last minute and hits a ground ball in the direction of the SS position. However, the shortstop has moved to cover third base, and no one is in position to field the ball. The ground ball strikes the runner advancing from 2B.

 

Ruling- The runner from 2B is declared out for being struck by a batted ball. The BR is placed at 1B. The ball is not considered to have gone through or by an infielder in this play.

 

Does NCAA rule the same? 

I ask because  8-5-K says

The runner, including a runner in contact with a base, is hit while in fair territory by a fair batted ball before it has touched a fielder including the pitcher or passed all infielders who have a chance to make a play on the ball. 

 

Then, 6-2-e again says Passed all infielders who have a chance to make a play, and then the note references the "through or by" like OBR

 

Note: If a fair ball goes through or by an infielder and touches a runner immediately in back of them or touches the runner after having been deflected by any fielder including the pitcher, the umpire shall not declare the runner out for being touched by a batted ball. This refers to a ball that passes through the infielder’s legs, or by the immediate vicinity, and strikes the runner directly behind the infielder. In making such a decision, the umpire must be convinced that the ball passed through, or by, the infielder and that no other infielder had a chance to make a play on the ball.

 

So, my question is, does NCAA align with OBR, that the ball must be through or by an infielder and hit the runner directly behind that fielder to "play on"? (assuming no other infielder has a chance to make a play on the ball)

 

Or, would this case play be ruled "play on" in NCAA since the ball passed by the third baseman, who was playing in, but well out of his reach, (so not through or by, but "passed") and no other infielder had a play on it? 

None of your NCAA cohorts touched this hot potato I brought up in another thread. Good luck. 

[grayhawk]

8 minutes ago, jimurrayalterego said:

None of your NCAA cohorts touched this hot potato I brought up in another thread. Good luck. 

I must have missed it. When a runner gets hit with a batted ball, the default is that he is out (with exceptions). As in law, the specific overrides the general. 8-5k is general, whereas 6-2e Note is specific. In an NCAA game, if the case play above happens, I'm killing it and calling him out, and I suspect not a word would be said about it. "Play on" would be a SH*#house waiting to happen, so why pick up that end of the stick? Also, we love outs, don't we?

[Replacematt]

Same as OBR. Runner is out.

[jimurrayalterego]

4 hours ago, Replacematt said:

Same as OBR. Runner is out.

Do you know when NCAA became the same as OBR? Was it in 2015 when they added the through or by note but left some dubious wording in 8-5-k and 6-2-e. Because as of 2011 the BRD cited Paronto as saying there was no INT if a runner was hit behind 2 drawn in infielders.

[Richvee]

6 hours ago, grayhawk said:

I'm killing it and calling him out, and I suspect not a word would be said about it. "Play on" would be a SH*#house waiting to happen, so why pick up that end of the stick?

This is 100% true. Even in high school, where we know it's play on, you will have explaining to do, whereas not a word would be said with the out, dead ball call. The NCAA rule book sure doesn't do a great job on this. It's almost like they're sitting on the fence. 

[Velho]

11 minutes ago, Richvee said:

The NCAA rule book sure doesn't do a great job on this. It's almost like they're sitting on the fence. 

They'll get to it right after they figure out how to fix NIL. 😁

[Kevin_K]

20 hours ago, grayhawk said:

I must have missed it. When a runner gets hit with a batted ball, the default is that he is out (with exceptions). As in law, the specific overrides the general. 8-5k is general, whereas 6-2e Note is specific. In an NCAA game, if the case play above happens, I'm killing it and calling him out, and I suspect not a word would be said about it. "Play on" would be a SH*#house waiting to happen, so why pick up that end of the stick? Also, we love outs, don't we?

That answer sounds very familiar doesn't it @Richvee?