Richvee Posted September 26 Report Share Posted September 26 Is my reading comprehension slipping, or is something wrong here? '23 - '24 rule book. "With runners on base, the pitcher may attempt as many pickoff throws in an attempt to retire a runner as desired. The pickoff throw may be made by stepping toward an occupied base directly from the pitcher's plate or after stepping off the pitcher's plate and immediately making a play on a runner. The time limit will stop and reset when the ball is returned to the pitcher on the mound" easy enough....Now, the '24 - '25 version 7 With runners on base, the pitcher may attempt as many pickoff throws in a legitimate attempt to retire a runner as desired. The pickoff throw may be made by stepping toward an occupied base directly from the pitcher’s plate, [throw or feint a throw toward any base when it is not an attempt to retire a runner or prevent the runner from advancing] or after stepping off the pitcher’s plate and immediately making a play on a runner. The time limit will stop and reset when the ball is returned to the pitcher on the mound. Any pickoff throw that is not a legitimate attempt to retire a runner is a violation, and a ball will be added to the batter’s count. The bolded is NOT in blue in the new book. ( I added the brackets and bold for appearance) Where did this come from and WTH does it mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grayhawk Posted September 26 Report Share Posted September 26 You got me. It would make sense of the bolded was: [throw or feint a throw toward any base when it is not an attempt to retire a runner or prevent the runner from advancing] Thereby adding the ability to step and throw to an unoccupied base when a runner is giving the appearance that they are stealing. Feinting uses up a reset, so it makes no sense to include that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richvee Posted September 26 Author Report Share Posted September 26 OK. I feel better. It’s not just me. I have a feeling we’ll be told to strike that line from the book during our on line clinic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man in Blue Posted September 27 Report Share Posted September 27 Outsider reading in . . . if the play isn't close, or if the fielder doesn't even put a tag on, it sounds like a violation. [stirring the pot] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velho Posted September 27 Report Share Posted September 27 I imagine they are trying to get rid of the step off and perfunctory "feint" arm motion at the runner - which had been a loophole to get a no penalty disengagement? Not saying they did a good job but looking for the motivation of the change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richvee Posted September 27 Author Report Share Posted September 27 47 minutes ago, The Man in Blue said: Outsider reading in . . . if the play isn't close, or if the fielder doesn't even put a tag on, it sounds like a violation. [stirring the pot] When taken in conjunction with all the other clock rules for NCAA, you would see that just stepping off is a “reset”. (One per batter). After one reset , a ball is called. Also, “legitimate “ attempt. Example- r2. F1 spins and throws a lob to F4 standing nowhere near 2B while R2 never even took a lead. Is not a legitimate attempt and a ball is called. What’s strange, is, when NCAA changes or adds to a rule, the new language is highlighted blue. This part I bolded isn’t in last year’s book, and is not Blue in the 24-25 book. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richvee Posted September 27 Author Report Share Posted September 27 2 minutes ago, Velho said: I imagine they are trying to get rid of the step off and perfunctory "feint" arm motion at the runner - which had been a loophole to get a no penalty disengagement? Not saying they did a good job but looking for the motivation of the change. Stepping off without a throw (including just an arm fake) is already addressed as a reset. (One per batter) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grayhawk Posted September 27 Report Share Posted September 27 13 hours ago, Velho said: I imagine they are trying to get rid of the step off and perfunctory "feint" arm motion at the runner - which had been a loophole to get a no penalty disengagement? Not saying they did a good job but looking for the motivation of the change. They got rid of that in the last rule change. A simple feint is a reset, and if the reset had already been used for that batter, then it's a violation and a ball. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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