harvard at miami

[dumbdumb]

go to 3:46-4:04 and 7:33-7:43. are all calls IRable at any time now??

 

[johnnyg08]

Well, it was a 50% hit rate...the analytics suggest that nearly all close plays are essentially a coin flip. 

Replay review at first base in MLB close plays at first base have a 63% overturn rate. 

[dumbdumb]

10 hours ago, johnnyg08 said:

Well, it was a 50% hit rate...the analytics suggest that nearly all close plays are essentially a coin flip. 

Replay review at first base in MLB close plays at first base have a 63% overturn rate. 

i would say that rate 63%, would stand pretty much anywhere at all levels then for close plays at first base.

and each individual's own number would vary from year to year, and obviously some individual's would be less than that 63% and some more than that 63%.

but

is NCAA allowed IR at any time, and as many as they want, and are there restrictions as to what can and cannot be IR'd and how many IR's are allowed per game.

Also, does everyone have IR in D1 and who does and who doesn't.

and to stir the pot, could that not in some sense be a form of cheating itself when some D1 schools have IR and some do not, like haves and have nots. all the MLB teams have IR, not just the big market teams have it and the little market teams do not.

and since MLB seems to be down now, let's get a lot of those teachable moments for our new pro umpires for the amateur player baseball ranks at all levels, videos to help them visually along in their careers, including using lots of D1 IR videos and game action and other levels with games on youtube.

[johnnyg08]

5 hours ago, dumbdumb said:

i would say that rate 63%, would stand pretty much anywhere at all levels then for close plays at first base.

and each individual's own number would vary from year to year, and obviously some individual's would be less than that 63% and some more than that 63%.

but

is NCAA allowed IR at any time, and as many as they want, and are there restrictions as to what can and cannot be IR'd and how many IR's are allowed per game.

Also, does everyone have IR in D1 and who does and who doesn't.

and to stir the pot, could that not in some sense be a form of cheating itself when some D1 schools have IR and some do not, like haves and have nots. all the MLB teams have IR, not just the big market teams have it and the little market teams do not.

and since MLB seems to be down now, let's get a lot of those teachable moments for our new pro umpires for the amateur player baseball ranks at all levels, videos to help them visually along in their careers, including using lots of D1 IR videos and game action and other levels with games on youtube.

That was my point in putting up the MLB numbers. If it's 63% for them, it's likely at least the same for us...so why not challenge every close play...it would be silly not to. There are rules around replay.

Every facility is different, there is no standard. But what is standard is for those two teams, at that site, they have the same system. 

I've heard of some brutal replay systems at some colleges....and really it's not that big of a deal...if it's indecisive, it's indecisive and the call on the field stands. 

Some of us have been studying video for years and we were ignored as it was thought that it wasn't a viable training method...but look at it now and it's only gonna get better. 

 

 

[jms1425]

On 3/1/2022 at 5:44 PM, dumbdumb said:

go to 3:46-4:04 and 7:33-7:43. are all calls IRable at any time now??

NCAA allows each coach 2 challenges per game. 

From Appendix E Section 2:

"The following plays will be reviewable only by a coach’s challenge at any time during the game or at the crew chief’s discretion during the last two innings of regulation and any extra innings:

g. Force and tag play calls at any base"

The play at 3:46 is a tag play (on a force play, ironically enough), and the play at 7:33 is a force play, so really there's nothing new or unusual about these plays going to IR.

[johnnyg08]

33 minutes ago, jms1425 said:

NCAA allows each coach 2 challenges per game. 

From Appendix E Section 2:

"The following plays will be reviewable only by a coach’s challenge at any time during the game or at the crew chief’s discretion during the last two innings of regulation and any extra innings:

g. Force and tag play calls at any base"

The play at 3:46 is a tag play (on a force play, ironically enough), and the play at 7:33 is a force play, so really there's nothing new or unusual about these plays going to IR.

And...if you have two...why not. Especially the first one. 

Sometimes though, I think emotion gets the best of them...the ones that are emotional, but really not that close. 

It's part of the game I guess....win some, lose some. 

[dumbdumb]

47 minutes ago, jms1425 said:

NCAA allows each coach 2 challenges per game. 

From Appendix E Section 2:

"The following plays will be reviewable only by a coach’s challenge at any time during the game or at the crew chief’s discretion during the last two innings of regulation and any extra innings:

g. Force and tag play calls at any base"

The play at 3:46 is a tag play (on a force play, ironically enough), and the play at 7:33 is a force play, so really there's nothing new or unusual about these plays going to IR.

sorry for my ignorance but, could a team have 2 challenges and then a crew chief add their own challenge for a total of 3, or 2 coach and 3 or 4 crew chief if needed. or. is it just 2 challenges period not matter if the coach challenges or the crew chief challenges.  if the coach wins the challenge, does he keep the 2 challenges or or is it just 2 challenges period irregardless if you win or lose them and irregardless of whether the coach initiates them for his team or the crew chief does. thanks for the clarification.

[Replacematt]

34 minutes ago, dumbdumb said:

sorry for my ignorance but, could a team have 2 challenges and then a crew chief add their own challenge for a total of 3, or 2 coach and 3 or 4 crew chief if needed. or. is it just 2 challenges period not matter if the coach challenges or the crew chief challenges.  if the coach wins the challenge, does he keep the 2 challenges or or is it just 2 challenges period irregardless if you win or lose them and irregardless of whether the coach initiates them for his team or the crew chief does. thanks for the clarification.

Crew chief challenges are not counted against the limit. Coaches challenges are retained if successful.

[jms1425]

1 hour ago, dumbdumb said:

sorry for my ignorance but, could a team have 2 challenges and then a crew chief add their own challenge for a total of 3, or 2 coach and 3 or 4 crew chief if needed. or. is it just 2 challenges period not matter if the coach challenges or the crew chief challenges.  if the coach wins the challenge, does he keep the 2 challenges or or is it just 2 challenges period irregardless if you win or lose them and irregardless of whether the coach initiates them for his team or the crew chief does. thanks for the clarification.

Theoretically, you could have an infinite number of challenges in a game of either type. If the coach challenges and the call is overturned, they still have 2 challenges. The crew chief can initiate a review of an eligible play anytime.

[ArchAngel72]

Just now, jms1425 said:

Theoretically, you could have an infinite number of challenges in a game of either type. If the coach challenges and the call is overturned, they still have 2 challenges. The crew chief can initiate a review of an eligible play anytime.

 

Ouch that makes it hard on a CC to basically have a close call and then HE has to say sorry "Bob" I think you got that one wrong and have it reviewed on his own crew.

 

They should have a replay person in the booth who signals "Lets look at that one"  So it takes it off the CC.  I think that would make it easier on the crew 

[humanbackstop19]

17 minutes ago, jms1425 said:

Theoretically, you could have an infinite number of challenges in a game of either type. If the coach challenges and the call is overturned, they still have 2 challenges. The crew chief can initiate a review of an eligible play anytime.

This is NOT an eligible play for review initiated by the CC until the the last 2 innings of regulation or extra innings.  This play would have to be challenged by the HC at this spot in the game. 

[BLWizzRanger]

1 hour ago, ArchAngel72 said:

 

Ouch that makes it hard on a CC to basically have a close call and then HE has to say sorry "Bob" I think you got that one wrong and have it reviewed on his own crew.

 

They should have a replay person in the booth who signals "Lets look at that one"  So it takes it off the CC.  I think that would make it easier on the crew 

I could see where the CC could decide on his own and do a review, but, in the scheme of not changing a 'judgement' call by a crew mate, wouldn't a CC wait for the coach to initiate the review by asking for help (in those last two innings)?